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RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Kage - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 05:06 PM)Intaki Wrote: Also, I feel like people are ignoring the fact that the three leaders could have pretty easily concocted a story that wholly justified their actions. Assuming Lolorito would have died, who exactly would have stood against them?You now have a shitton of mercs who are -not- happy that you just killed the person feeding them. Not just the entirety of the Brass Blades either. Lolorito too may have had a had in some Crystal Braves pockets as seen with Ilberd. Ilberd says he killed Nanamo, handmaiden answers to Lolorito..
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Chris Ganale - 04-01-2015
Fairly certain that the word of even hundreds of mercs won't weigh much against that of the Three Leaders.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - K'nahli - 04-01-2015
By doing something, Merylwyb would have risked creating tensions between her nation and the new leader(s) of Ul'dah should one have come about regardless.
By doing nothing she pretty much submitted control of Ul'dah to a fate whose level of corruption could pose very, serious problems - all for the hopefully-continued and symbiotic support from them as an alliance member.
(Note that 'something' needn't mean violence).
With said tensions, what is the worst that could happen except for a lack of cooperation from a state whom you would not trust to turn your back on anyways? Cut off part of their own economy by eliminating trade and POSSIBLE military support for whatever the future may hold? Gridania would almost certainly withdraw as a result should such a thing happen. And let's not forget that it's not just the "smallfolk" who are largely against everything that has just happened. I'd like to see the Immortal Flames not fall apart as those who are not corrupt desert the company and possibly even seek employment as soldiers for foreign dignitaries.
Even if that happened, despite past affiliation with Garlemald, the new leader(s) would not be so stupid as to side with them as surely that would only cause Ul'dah to tear itself apart from civil revolt.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - V'aleera - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 05:19 PM)Kage Wrote: You now have a shitton of mercs who are -not- happy that you just killed the person feeding them. Not just the entirety of the Brass Blades either. Lolorito too may have had a had in some Crystal Braves pockets as seen with Ilberd. Â Ilberd says he killed Nanamo, handmaiden answers to Lolorito..I'm willing to bet most Brass Blade's love of coin draws a pretty hard line at the fear of death. They would have been a rabble facing off against a literal roomful of living legends with -zero- pay to be had in it.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Kage - 04-01-2015
Keep in mind the other dignitaries? Merchants that all -fled- after seeing Raubahn kill Telediji. Raubahn is in jail because MANY witnesses saw him kill someone.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Soalean Monterey - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 08:48 AM)Steel Wolf Wrote: Finished last night, sitting with my jaw hanging agape and my mind just absolutely reeling. Â Tropes notwithstanding, I still found this story sequences some of the best of the MSQ.If you remember, I don't remember which patch it was, but it showed that the Ascians were behind, and controlling, Ishgard.
Now, my own thoughts...
...which will be led off by saying how MUCH I WANTED TO SLAP the leaders of each of the nations of the Alliance. Â A small group of random blades offered to help Ishgard, but full and absolute credit taken at the banquet. Â Even my beloved Admiral...all of you can line up and eat my ass. Â Srsly.
Watching Nanamo die (sorry I have a very hard time believing she's not dead) was probably one of the hardest things I've had to witness. Â Seeing a Lalafell woman in tears instantly incurs in me a need to murder the cause of those tears....mercifully, Raubhan's response was completely appropriate. Â Most satisfying villain death in this game, bar none.
No, srsly Rauby, you scary.
I don't see the Scions as being killed. Â I've watched more than enough anime or cartoons to know that when your mains get a fade to white, they almost are always able to miraculously avoid the powderkeg they set off around themselves. Â I mean, it'd be amazing if they stayed dead, but someone as patently useless as Minfilia just doesn't die that easily, even if those that went before her went out like absolute bosses.
Pipin is sexiest Laladude now. Â Sorry, Chachan. Â :<
I'm almost positive that Urianger is meeting with the Ascians as a form of parley or as their guest than anything else. Â Nothing in the conversation between the two--however short--seemed to indicate anything more than the cordial greetings of two negotiating sides.
I'm most excited about what will happen next. Â Ishgard is an awesome place to hide away while Ul'dah loses its shit, and the apparent lack of immediate Ascian machination in everything going on was refreshing, though I'm sure at some point or another we'll have some deux ex machine nonsense that paints them as being behind ALL THE THINGS MWAHAHAHA. Â
Seriously, I hate the Ascians, and not for the reasons Squee would like.
Ultimately, though, I was completely wrapped up in the whole thing, tropes, silliness and all. Â I enjoyed the hell out of it, I can't wait to see more, and I can NOT WAIT to get into Ishgard proper. Â I want more. Â I NEED MOAR. Â And I've got two months' wait to get it.
Hnngggh....
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Ryanti - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 07:10 PM)Soalean Monterey Wrote: If you remember, I don't remember which patch it was, but it showed that the Ascians were behind, and controlling, Ishgard.
I'm not sure if the Ascians are controlling Ishgard's people, or.. government even.
But the religion? I believe that. I think the pope is a puppet to 'em. Or one himself.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Aya - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 07:14 PM)Ryanti Wrote:They run the gamut from agent/puppet, through willing dupes, through ignorant zealots, all the way down to the virtual chattel of the lower classes.(04-01-2015, 07:10 PM)Soalean Monterey Wrote: If you remember, I don't remember which patch it was, but it showed that the Ascians were behind, and controlling, Ishgard.
I'm not sure if the Ascians are controlling Ishgard's people, or.. government even.
But the religion? I believe that. I think the pope is a puppet to 'em. Or one himself.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Kellach Woods - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 12:02 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: Merp feels. Maybe Minfilia will finally start becoming a character now? Hydaelyn told her to go back. Obviously Hydaelyn didn't tell her to go back just to die... that would've been stupid. But I have a feeling it's going to be a long time before we see any of those Scions again. Like 3.1 is my guess. We'll have some stuff to do in Coerthas/Dravania before we get to return to the city states.
I'd go as far as to say it'll be farther than that. Give the time to review and redesign the NPCs as a result of their experience.
It'll also give an alternate costume to Y'shtola in Dissidia Arcade.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Kage - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 07:14 PM)Ryanti Wrote:The thing is that Isghard is a theocracy. The archbishop is pretty much their leader.(04-01-2015, 07:10 PM)Soalean Monterey Wrote: If you remember, I don't remember which patch it was, but it showed that the Ascians were behind, and controlling, Ishgard.
I'm not sure if the Ascians are controlling Ishgard's people, or.. government even.
But the religion? I believe that. I think the pope is a puppet to 'em. Or one himself.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Ryanti - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 07:28 PM)Kage Wrote: The thing is that Isghard is a theocracy. The archbishop is pretty much their leader.
Do the royal houses have any say? Is there some sort of chart I can look at?
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - K'nahli - 04-01-2015
How long would you all speculate that the archbishop(or whatever) has been under their influence? And in what ways, if you have any personal theories?
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - V'aleera - 04-01-2015
(04-01-2015, 07:39 PM)Ryanti Wrote:The Archbishop and the Church are the highest authorities in Ishgard. The High Houses are the next rung down.(04-01-2015, 07:28 PM)Kage Wrote: The thing is that Isghard is a theocracy. The archbishop is pretty much their leader.
Do the royal houses have any say? Is there some sort of chart I can look at?
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Cato - 04-02-2015
It may have been brought up already but I can't help but note how the Scion's Echo ability was pushed as something viewed with suspicion, fear and falsely attributed as mind control. I do wonder if that is how many people throughout Eorzea see it as is the case with many things unknown to the masses.
RE: [SPOILERS not hidden in SPOILERS] 2.55 Before the Fall Part 2 - Kage - 04-02-2015
(04-02-2015, 01:28 AM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: It may have been brought up already but I can't help but note how the Scion's Echo ability was pushed as something viewed with suspicion, fear and falsely attributed as mind control. I do wonder if that is how many people throughout Eorzea see it as is the case with many things unknown to the masses.
I think that is exactly why in 1.0 (from what I've read and inferred) that Minfilia and Echo was on the hush hush. Echo wasn't really talked about in the open except with other Echo gifted.