(12-22-2014, 06:02 PM)Aya Wrote:

(12-22-2014, 05:52 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: I did not invalidate anyone's opinions, silence anyone, tell anyone to go make their own game. I stated something that is true. An irritating and uncomfortable truth for some, which is why I can understand the heated -- and awfully presumptuous -- responses.

Alright, Berrod, that's fine.  However, I've seen multiple cases lately (including in this thread, and in your responses in C'kayah's thread last week) that boil down to, "You cannot have that opinion."  I have been terribly disappointed to see that, and it really does not seem like an isolated phenomenon, but instead what is becoming an expected reply to an opinion that is disliked.  "I disagree with X, but I don't want to explain why I disagree with X, instead I will explain why X is not an opinion that someone should have."  That is not discussion, it is not constructive, and it is not an approach that should be taken within a respectful and friendly community (it is also offensive to the idea of free and open discussion).

My point of view is that people ought to be able to freely express their opinion, and discuss why they hold it without the threat of being held underwater for doing so.  There are a lot of people disappointed about the Au Ra ranging from eye-rolling to distraught (okay maybe not that much!), and there are people who are really excited for them.  I found it interesting to see the two opinions expressed, and why, and it has even lead to some interesting discussion pondering the origin of the race, and how they will be represented in the game.  This is all well, and good, in fact it is the very wonderful purpose toward which a discussion forum is designed.

On the idea that you've expressed here, that's all well-and-good, I suppose, but it doesn't seem to really mean anything.  I may as well tell you that if you want a non-bulky male option to play that you should make your own MMO.  Is that any more responsive to what you've said on the previous page, than what you said in your reply?  Has it added anything to the discussion?

(12-22-2014, 06:22 PM)Iex Wrote: By the looks of what I can see from the screen shots, you will be able to pick horns (maybe) but for sure color of the scales.

(12-22-2014, 06:32 PM)Naunet Wrote: I've heard they're working on a new benchmark? I hope the Au Ra are included in it.

(12-22-2014, 06:36 PM)Kage Wrote:

(12-22-2014, 06:32 PM)Naunet Wrote: I've heard they're working on a new benchmark? I hope the Au Ra are included in it.

I believe it's both because of DX11 and other details in the expansion but yep there's going to be a new benchmark we can fiddle with.

(12-22-2014, 06:38 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:

(12-22-2014, 06:36 PM)Kage Wrote:

(12-22-2014, 06:32 PM)Naunet Wrote: I've heard they're working on a new benchmark? I hope the Au Ra are included in it.

I believe it's both because of DX11 and other details in the expansion but yep there's going to be a new benchmark we can fiddle with.

I never even got the old one...I feel like I missed out.

(12-22-2014, 06:26 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: Okay so  I went back to check out the thread you mentioned to see if I had indeed done what I've been accused of. It turns out not -- hell I even said 'But we can say what we think about it!' at the end of the second post.

Quote:My sidelong opinion is also a part of the discussion, regardless of if it is a popular opinion or not -- turns out it's not! At least, assuming it's read correctly. And I find it particularly intriguing that I'm being called out on for invalidating someone's opinion (which I have not -- it's good to recognize an opposing stance for what it is)...and then told in the same post that the idea that I have expressed here doesn't mean anything.

(12-22-2014, 06:47 PM)Steel Wolf Wrote: Ooo, I'm really eager to see how the new DX11 additions make things look in the new benchmark.  I'm not exactly a barn-burning rig, but DX11 makes even my mediocre-level machine look dead sexeh.

(12-22-2014, 06:40 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: Tall and sexy, with horns and... no pointy ears.  It looks a bit odd how the horns sprout from where the ears should be. I wonder why that is.

(12-22-2014, 06:40 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: The old one (if we count 1.0's) weren't overly amazing, but do give a little peek at the world. I like that the benchmark included a character creater for 2.0, because it was a great way to get a peek at how a character would move/speak/etc before playing. (and a 2-3GB benchmark is much more portable than a 16+ GB game)

(12-22-2014, 06:52 PM)Naunet Wrote:

(12-22-2014, 06:40 PM)theincubuslord Wrote: Tall and sexy, with horns and... no pointy ears.  It looks a bit odd how the horns sprout from where the ears should be. I wonder why that is.

Reptiles often don't have external ear structures, so this part makes sense to me, as they seem to take at least some inspiration from reptilian creatures.

(12-22-2014, 06:48 PM)Aya Wrote:

(12-22-2014, 06:26 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: Okay so  I went back to check out the thread you mentioned to see if I had indeed done what I've been accused of. It turns out not -- hell I even said 'But we can say what we think about it!' at the end of the second post.

Okay, I may have put too much emphasis on the rather categorical statements at the opening of the post which certainly appear to proscribe the very idea of having an opinion on any voluntary and private transaction.  That's certainly how it was taken by the recipient of the message, and that's how I read it.  The caveat at the end didn't seem to carry nearly as much wait, but it was meant to.  Sorry for misunderstanding you

Quote:My sidelong opinion is also a part of the discussion, regardless of if it is a popular opinion or not -- turns out it's not! At least, assuming it's read correctly. And I find it particularly intriguing that I'm being called out on for invalidating someone's opinion (which I have not -- it's good to recognize an opposing stance for what it is)...and then told in the same post that the idea that I have expressed here doesn't mean anything.

Haha, I suppose, in a sense!  Sometimes tautologies have a purpose... :-]

I've also enjoyed your opinions on the Au Ra as expressed in the rest of the thread!