(08-22-2014, 02:49 PM)ExKage Wrote: Because I guess I'm doing this:

(08-22-2014, 12:20 PM)ExKage Wrote: Spend months just waiting along for something to magically change in yourself?

(08-22-2014, 02:55 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: The best (and only) raid group I've ever been a part of understood that there's a difference between Us: The Friends and Us: The Raid Group. It's similar if you've ever worked with a friend and one of you had a position higher than the other; When it's work time, we're not friends. And at the end of a shift, we're not co-workers. It's rare to find people who can sort of mesh with that, though.

Case in point: While everyone tries to be as patient as you can while learning mechanics, when it becomes obvious that one person is the point of repeated failure there's not a lot of options. You either tell that person to get it in gear, or you wipe for hours and hours on a mechanic. I still remember praying for Rot to land on someone who knew how to handle it, because even with voice, sometimes your friends aren't really able to do things. It blows. I know I'm the type to yell when I run out of patience, but I'd like to think we got results. I never meant any ill-will at the end of a run, but again, not everyone is capable of compartmentalizing the sort of things that can be said when tension is high, there's work in the morning and you've repeatedly wiped to someone voicing everyone/adds not dying/fight mechanic du jour.

Of course, I say this having raided with one group through several games, and once we split apart I sort of hung up my boots. I'm probably the worst person to listen to on this subject.

Find people you work with, throw yourself at it, and try to stay sane. Raiding is fun when you're successful but it's (for me) highly stressful when it isn't. The ends don't justify the means for me anymore.

That said if anyone wants a tank to kill them repeatedly in new and exciting areas I'm available!

(08-22-2014, 02:40 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(08-22-2014, 01:59 PM)Jancis Wrote:

(08-22-2014, 01:49 PM)ExKage Wrote: It's hard finding such group that is willing to put ~2 hours per raid night per 2-3 nights a week... when you don't know who or what to look for or you're completely afraid to.

To be horrifically frank, if someone wasn't in my guild/free company I would not make them core.

Period; no exceptions. The raid group is not that person's priority if they can't be in the guild that talks about it, has forum boards about it, can hear each other on a daily basis, work together, etc. It was too important of a show of commitment.

If someone was showing up as a bench spot consistently I would eventually poach them from whatever nonsense guild they were in.

I realize that sounds terrible. Sorry.

People join Free Companies for a variety of reasons, and on an RP server it is especially common that people are in Free Companies for RP reasons.  There are quite a few progression-oriented players out there who are in FCs with their RP group, but still desire (and in many cases manage) to be in statics that may have nothing to do with their Free Company for the purposes of progression.  I myself spent time before my break in a static formed of myself, one other FC member, and a mixture of friends we met pugging.  And if you say I wasn't "committed," I'm going to laugh in your face.

A better characterization of your position is that you personally don't like taking people who aren't in your Free Company to do serious content - which is a completely valid position to have.  But saying that someone has to be in your Free Company or they're not "committed" to doing serious content is quite frankly ridiculous.