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RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Aduu Avagnar - 10-07-2014

hmm, as for how I prefer my rp, I guess fantastical but grounded in a sense of realism.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Val - 10-07-2014

(10-07-2014, 07:03 PM)Nako Wrote: ok, yes, but I was assuming an element of logic here :p most plate armour isn't forged out of a single piece, rather overlapping bands or plates. and helmets tend to be separate. however yes, if you are wearing the armour with the helmet built in, then you are probably doomed to suffer the fate of pop culture knights.

Yeah, that's what I meant! Obviously, not all armor would restrict movement! You'd be surprised how many people I've seen using that piece of armor and moving just fine in it, or others using helms that would clearly obscure their peripheral vision but can see just fine.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Gaspard - 10-07-2014

Ho boy, somebody opened up the can of worms that is the Anime topic.

Well, as far as I see it personally, It really depends on the Lore limitations. Many Roleplayers pride themselves in remaining low-key so to speak (Playing characters akin to grunt level, or, if the hero is level 75, they cap themselves and expect others to likewise cap themselves around level 20), which on one side I can very well understand and even embrace (Because not everyone can be a hero, and not everyone can be a super villain), but at the same time, it truly depends on the sensitivities of it all.

To have a bloodthirsty, power hungry villain for a character aspiring for greatness and challenging his limits, in a nigh 'Uber-mensch' fashion as Nietzsche would describe it doesn't make your character 'bad' in a RP sense. It just means that his story will follow an entirely different scope. 

It's this difference in scope and perhaps personal limitation that breeds all of this 'Realism vs. Fantasy vs Anime' Argument. Some people draw their own line at 'I can hold my sword, I can swing it pretty well, but anything above that isn't my thing'. Others draw it at 'I can use my Scholarly book to summon nifty pentagrams that can bend the elements.' 

Others draw their lines somewhere around Super Sentai Majin Buu one Shotting Mechahitler with a Nuclear Rasenshuriken while Jo from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure fist bumps With Captain falcon to evoke a Hadron Collider collision.


This line in the end is different for everyone, which is why I generally place as a rule of thumb ; If it's plausible and possible within the Lore, it is fine, ASLONG the player understands that his powers are not to be abused. Sure, some would argue OOC has no place in IC matters, but from a certain standpoint of IC power, you absolutely must communicate and also negotiate with other players as to not just believe yourself able to steam-roll them 'cause you can'.

But I'm getting very technical here in regards to RP itself, For the point at hand ; 

Anime isn't anime. if you take inspiration from any media (because yes, there's actually some good anime out there devoid of the 5 episode power charges), and do it right, you can very well do it. Also, perhaps as a last point ; To get 'too' harsh in regards to realism in a Final fantasy game is folly. Final fantasy features Primals summoned, creatures from a hell-like realm known as the void, Characters with skull armors that technically should weigh them down to the floor (See Garlean armors), and overall beings capable of intomidable feats like handling the elements and/or summoning creatures to their aide as summoners.

That many roleplayers choose to keep it low-key in order to not provoke an in-character arms race where you have eventually demi-gods fighting eachother is quite fine, aslong in that wish you don't begin to tirelessly discriminate against everything that does not fit your 'bill' of logics. That line, is and will be, different for most.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Roswyn - 10-07-2014

(10-07-2014, 10:17 PM)Gaspard Wrote: Others draw their lines somewhere around Super Sentai Majin Buu one Shotting Mechahitler with a Nuclear Rasenshuriken while Jo from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure fist bumps With Captain falcon to evoke a Hadron Collider collision.

I didn't get any further in this post because I was laughing too hard.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Lancia - 10-07-2014

It might sound odd, and many people might disagree, but I tend to follow "Advent Children" when thinking of things my max-leveled character can do. I don't mean that he can run up buildings and chop them in half with the flick of his spear, but I do think that the FF universe in general has that sort of style to it (especially since Dissidia happened.)

I set my character a little lower than AC, since, of course, he's not a 'main character' in RP sense.

Granted, if you look at some of the old FFXIV 1.0 cutscenes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHfGYfINipI , 0:00 to 2:29), you can clearly see how -crazy- things can get.

But then, if you look at other cutscenes, there are some people just normally fighting like someone in real life would.

This leads me to believe that there's a very wide gap between 'normal' and 'legendary' in FFXIV.

Personally, I think that any character that has ICly fought against the Primals should at least be able to do a little bit of the stuff they see in Advent Children.  Also, Dragoons can jump super high into the sky and rain down like a meteor upon their enemies.  Not normal.

And then Godbert.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Lillini - 10-08-2014

I view it as a fantasy, but as realistically as possible if that makes any sense at all. It's still a fantasy because there's magic, monsters, things such as primals etc., but I apply realistic concepts to more "normal" aspects such as melee fighting, for example. I would find it strange if a person roleplayed that they were able to defeat various competent opponents with a regular wooden lance or something. Magic is harder to judge because there's nothing real to base it on, but I'm pretty fine with most concepts as long as they don't seem really overpowered, like a person magically regrowing half their body with no/barely any repercussions on the healer or patient (and it also has to make sense in context with their background).

I care much more about type and depth of personality in a character than whether they're powerful or weak when RPing with someone (as long as their power isn't off-putting or unrealistic, such as them being good at everything or winning over my character all the time when my character is supposed to be good at the particular field, etc.). Special snowflakes are alright as long as they aren't made up of them. Personally, however, I am more interested in playing a character that is powerful in one or two areas.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Vysce the Lad - 10-09-2014

I usually use the past installments of Final Fantasy as a guide to how far I should take things in my own rp. Of course I won't have my character breaking his limit all the time or switching paradigms on the fly (He's only broken his limit once), but he does have a special ring that lets him transform/henshin into his end-game armour. It started as a joke, but no one's corrected me so far >.< and I think it's fun. Mostly I just got too lazy to run out of the room to "change" clothes in a semi-realistic manner. Again, he doesn't change his clothes like that all the time, and has only one set he ever changes into. I watch alot of Kamen Rider >.< I thought it was appropriate because while Caen wants to be a hero, he doesn't get very serious and even when he's fighting, it's a little silly.
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I do like to have him take damage realistically. Like if he loses a roll in an awful sort or gets really hurt in a fight, I'll rp the injuries he sustained. There was one time he was even temporarily paraplegic due to some damage to his spine. I might be a little extreme there, but even in a fantasy world, I don't think aether is so powerful that it can instantly fix major wounds like that. If that were the case, I'm sure there wouldn't be so much strife out of the warzone in XIV.
I have an elezen alt that I feel could pull Advent Children/Dissidia style fighting at the peak of his power, but a lot of that, if I ever rp it, is saved for some really dramatic and appropriate rp. It's not cool if you pull out the big guns in every fight, right? Final Fantasy has always had it's heart-pounding cinematic moments and it's cool to see them in XIV.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Aldotsk - 10-09-2014

(10-09-2014, 10:42 AM)Vysce the Lad Wrote:  I watch alot of Kamen Rider >.< I thought it was appropriate because while Caen wants to be a hero, he doesn't get very serious and even when he's fighting, it's a little silly.
[youtube]e8SdLMokUHs[/youtube]

I have an elezen alt that I feel could pull Advent Children/Dissidia style fighting at the peak of his power, but a lot of that, if I ever rp it, is saved for some really dramatic and appropriate rp. It's not cool if you pull out the big guns in every fight, right? Final Fantasy has always had it's heart-pounding cinematic moments and it's cool to see them in XIV.

You could probably pull this off if you want xD

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RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Vysce the Lad - 10-09-2014

Hehe~ I need to make a macro to make it look cooler. But I naturally pop a Fist of Wind or Fire and time it right. Go Kamen Rider Punch-Cat! Now he just needs a helmet~
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RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - ProvaDiServo - 10-09-2014

(10-09-2014, 11:10 AM)Vysce the Lad Wrote: Hehe~ I need to make a macro to make it look cooler. But I naturally pop a Fist of Wind or Fire and time it right. Go Kamen Rider Punch-Cat! Now he just needs a helmet~
*Picture*

I'd like to see that in action!

I have one using bloodbath, b4b, foresight and AOD.

Its always fun crafting macros like that.

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - CrookedTarot - 10-09-2014

(10-07-2014, 01:03 PM)Coatleque Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ

This clip is in the wrong thread--and the wrong game. Take this over to the Champions Online forums!Geek

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Berrod Armstrong - 10-09-2014

(10-09-2014, 11:43 AM)CrookedTarot Wrote:
(10-07-2014, 01:03 PM)Coatleque Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ

This clip is in the wrong thread--and the wrong game. Take this over to the Champions Online forums!Geek
I've always found a queer irony in that clip. "When everyone is super, no one will be."
"...so no one be super."
"So no one will be."

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Jana - 10-09-2014

I might actually make a transformation-macro to use for IC-SMN if I can ever complete my Allagan caster set. ;-;

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Kage - 10-09-2014

(10-09-2014, 01:42 PM)Jana Wrote: I might actually make a transformation-macro to use for IC-SMN if I can ever complete my Allagan caster set. ;-;
I'm sure once another person or two gets to 50 ULDAH could run T2 farms for ya.

Maybe?

I mean. We have the heals. @_@

RE: Realism vs Fantasy vs Then Anime - Jana - 10-09-2014

T2 would be easy to help gear anyone that needs it with the EZ Cheez strat. It's T4 I'm more worried about!

In any case, to reply to the actual topic's question I play Jana as a powerful adventurer. I worry a little sometimes that she's going to come across as too powerful when compared next to her contacts, many of whom are definitely strong but don't go overboard with it. I play her as a sort of "Jack-of-all-trades" with Disciple of War classes, and her only Job is Summoner. But this means Jana's at home with a melee weapon, a bow, or a summoning tome in her hand. She IS an adventurer, but she isn't the main character...

Then I look at what the main characters are all capable of and laugh. Jana's not THAT powerful; I guess it's just a matter of perspective.