(06-24-2015, 02:27 PM)Hammersmith Wrote: No one wants Nublet McEdgelord to waltz into a gathering and take a giant combat shit on it with a freshly rolled level 1 Char in vanity armor who can suplex Titan Train and is also the last Black Mage of a Royal Allagan Bloodline.

(06-24-2015, 02:12 PM)Verad Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 02:09 PM)Kage Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 01:59 PM)Verad Wrote: I can't stand it when high-level characters portray themselves as weak.

I'm sorry Verad. Before 2.55 Kage was 50 in everything and was Final Witness. I'm sorry my lalafell still has issues downing a hidden ishgardian evil lady.

You should be. Absolutely you should be. Missing out on game content is the price you pay for enhancing immersion by making sure your character's level matches his abilities. Do you have any idea how aggravating it is to see somebody playing some poor civilian in the middle of the Burning Wall, where even a side-eyed glance from a Golden Fleece ought to leave the character in a pool of its own blood? Maddening. Simply maddening.

(06-24-2015, 02:28 PM)Sin Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 02:11 PM)Dogberry Wrote: I tend to play out The Journey.

Dogberry started out as J. Random Bareknuckle Boxer in pit fights so mickey mouse he couldn't even hack it in The Bloodsands. He trained, and now he's a world class fist fighter. By no means a kung-fu master, but on par with someone on the professional boxing/MMA circuit for sure. He did the same with the spear, going from a Limsa Lominsan whaler, to a bonafide polearm facewrecker. I didn't just start out with Dogberry claiming to be Eorzea's Muhammad Ali. I was more interested in playing out his rise from a nobody to something more. The time I spent putting effort into the character was the time my character spent training in an 80's movie style montage kind of way.

Maybe I'm a giant jerk, but if you're a lowbie pugilist pulling the Ali shtick, the in character response from Dogberry will be to see all of that bravado as foolish bluster, and when you hit Z to pull out your Weathered Horas, he's going to see a thousand things wrong with your body mechanics.

So because the character is wearing weathered horas he's going to see things wrong with his body mechanics. Not just assume, nor think he sees, but literally you're going to assign wrong factors to the other characters mechanics because you know that that is a level 1 weapon and you've Inspected his level to be low?

There are names for that kind of behavior in RP. They're metagaming and godmoding.

The journey can be roleplayed without game mechanics.

(06-24-2015, 02:36 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I know you're trying to make a point here Verad, but it is true that allowing someone to 'beat' your character, can be a significant thing. Especially for characters that are supposed to be good at combat.

If someone is trying to fight one of my characters, I'm much more likely to engage with them seriously if they're higher level, since the stakes are higher then. I don't even do roll based fighting (outside of the grindstone) much with lower level characters, because there is no tension or stake to it.

I think the real thing people are hinting at is that Combat RP has no weight unless there are consequences and risk. And it's hard to do that without trust. Therefor I'm much more inclined to trust someone who has been playing this game for a long time, and/or RPing for a long time, because they have skin in the game. I can't have an epic revenge story after getting my eye poked out by stubbs the lalafell rogue, if I never see them again. However if someone who is active and long term does such a thing, then I can make a story out of it.

Edit: What hammersmith said.

(06-24-2015, 02:37 PM)Manari Wrote: How do you feel about characters that are something that doesn't fit into the class/job classifications? There are always people out there that want to RP their favorite job that isn't in the game like Blue Mage, Red Mage, and Samurai. I personally don't feel this can work because we have no lore on these jobs, and as far as the lore is concerned, they don't exist in Eorzea yet.

• A woman who can see the future in her dreams
  
• A woman who can read people's auras
  
• Several voidtouched people who can feed on aether
  
• Several 'what the hell are they?' types who play very powerful and paranormal characters
  
• An artificial primal made by Garleans
  
• Several mad artifacers who create devices completely divorced from anything in gameplay/lore
  

(06-24-2015, 02:40 PM)Dogberry Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 02:28 PM)Sin Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 02:11 PM)Dogberry Wrote: I tend to play out The Journey.

Dogberry started out as J. Random Bareknuckle Boxer in pit fights so mickey mouse he couldn't even hack it in The Bloodsands. He trained, and now he's a world class fist fighter. By no means a kung-fu master, but on par with someone on the professional boxing/MMA circuit for sure. He did the same with the spear, going from a Limsa Lominsan whaler, to a bonafide polearm facewrecker. I didn't just start out with Dogberry claiming to be Eorzea's Muhammad Ali. I was more interested in playing out his rise from a nobody to something more. The time I spent putting effort into the character was the time my character spent training in an 80's movie style montage kind of way.

Maybe I'm a giant jerk, but if you're a lowbie pugilist pulling the Ali shtick, the in character response from Dogberry will be to see all of that bravado as foolish bluster, and when you hit Z to pull out your Weathered Horas, he's going to see a thousand things wrong with your body mechanics.

So because the character is wearing weathered horas he's going to see things wrong with his body mechanics. Not just assume, nor think he sees, but literally you're going to assign wrong factors to the other characters mechanics because you know that that is a level 1 weapon and you've Inspected his level to be low?

There are names for that kind of behavior in RP. They're metagaming and godmoding.

The journey can be roleplayed without game mechanics.

Yes. If you're a level 1 Pugilist, in my eyes, your character is a level 1 Pugilist. To me, metagaming and godmoding is claiming your character has abilities it clearly doesn't have. If you can't be bothered to level up a job to at least a level where you can pull off a look that fits the job beyond "freshly made character", then I don't see why my character should recognize the skills yours claims to have.

If you're going to RP a character and not level them, why even subscribe to the game? You'd probably be a lot better suited doing forum RP. Gaia Online is over there, bro.

(06-24-2015, 02:37 PM)Manari Wrote: I apologize if this is slightly off topic, I don't really think that it is though.  

How do you feel about characters that are something that doesn't fit into the class/job classifications?  There are always people out there that want to RP their favorite job that isn't in the game like Blue Mage, Red Mage, and Samurai.  I personally don't feel this can work because we have no lore on these jobs, and as far as the lore is concerned, they don't exist in Eorzea yet.  

For Manari, back in 1.0 I RPed her as an archer, a huntress to be specific.  Even after they forced me to be a bard, I still just RPed that she was a huntress.  She had skills that bards don't have, like tracking, stalking, setting traps, things like that.  My Bard was level 50 of course, but I never RPed Manari as being that good at playing music.  

Then towards the end of 1.0, right before server shut down, I began to have Manari slowly shift towards a darker path due to events that have happened to her.  She still used her bow occasionally, but now she began to train in the use of daggers.  Single and dual blades, and I used Paladin with the daggers they used to have to show this in-game.  She wasn't a ninja, she was becoming an assassin.  That isn't a class or a job you can be, Ninja wasn't even hinted at yet either (though I did assume it would happen eventually) but I've been RPing this ever since.  

Even now I don't RP Manari as a "ninja" and she's never had anything to do with the Rogue's from Limsa either.  I don't RP her knowing things like the mudras or able to use the ninja spells.  She is very good a moving silently, becoming like a phantom when in her natural element of the Black Shroud.  I personally don't feel like using a dagger would be something that only rogues and ninjas could ever learn to do.  However, I do use Ninja as my RP job to represent all this now, and it is level 50 (I don't have Heavensward yet).  So how does the community feel about something like that?  Also, it isn't something that I advertise when RPing, like sending a OOC message that says ((Manari isn't a ninja, she's an assassin!)) or anything like that.

(06-24-2015, 02:11 PM)Dogberry Wrote: I tend to play out The Journey.

Dogberry started out as J. Random Bareknuckle Boxer in pit fights so mickey mouse he couldn't even hack it in The Bloodsands. He trained, and now he's a world class fist fighter. By no means a kung-fu master, but on par with someone on the professional boxing/MMA circuit for sure. He did the same with the spear, going from a Limsa Lominsan whaler, to a bonafide polearm facewrecker. I didn't just start out with Dogberry claiming to be Eorzea's Muhammad Ali. I was more interested in playing out his rise from a nobody to something more. The time I spent putting effort into the character was the time my character spent training in an 80's movie style montage kind of way.

Maybe I'm a giant jerk, but if you're a lowbie pugilist pulling the Ali shtick, the in character response from Dogberry will be to see all of that bravado as foolish bluster, and when you hit Z to pull out your Weathered Horas, he's going to see a thousand things wrong with your body mechanics.

(06-24-2015, 02:40 PM)Dogberry Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 02:28 PM)Sin Wrote:

(06-24-2015, 02:11 PM)Dogberry Wrote: I tend to play out The Journey.

Dogberry started out as J. Random Bareknuckle Boxer in pit fights so mickey mouse he couldn't even hack it in The Bloodsands. He trained, and now he's a world class fist fighter. By no means a kung-fu master, but on par with someone on the professional boxing/MMA circuit for sure. He did the same with the spear, going from a Limsa Lominsan whaler, to a bonafide polearm facewrecker. I didn't just start out with Dogberry claiming to be Eorzea's Muhammad Ali. I was more interested in playing out his rise from a nobody to something more. The time I spent putting effort into the character was the time my character spent training in an 80's movie style montage kind of way.

Maybe I'm a giant jerk, but if you're a lowbie pugilist pulling the Ali shtick, the in character response from Dogberry will be to see all of that bravado as foolish bluster, and when you hit Z to pull out your Weathered Horas, he's going to see a thousand things wrong with your body mechanics.

So because the character is wearing weathered horas he's going to see things wrong with his body mechanics. Not just assume, nor think he sees, but literally you're going to assign wrong factors to the other characters mechanics because you know that that is a level 1 weapon and you've Inspected his level to be low?

There are names for that kind of behavior in RP. They're metagaming and godmoding.

The journey can be roleplayed without game mechanics.

Yes. If you're a level 1 Pugilist, in my eyes, your character is a level 1 Pugilist. To me, metagaming and godmoding is claiming your character has abilities it clearly doesn't have. If you can't be bothered to level up a job to at least a level where you can pull off a look that fits the job beyond "freshly made character", then I don't see why my character should recognize the skills yours claims to have.

If you're going to RP a character and not level them, why even subscribe to the game? You'd probably be a lot better suited doing forum RP. Gaia Online is over there, bro.

(06-24-2015, 02:40 PM)Dogberry Wrote: If you're going to RP a character and not level them, why even subscribe to the game? You'd probably be a lot better suited doing forum RP. Gaia Online is over there, bro.

(06-24-2015, 02:44 PM)Verad Wrote: People are relying on this argument of investment, but I have to say that somebody who has played this game for a long time and has remained at a low level is showing a level of commitment that can't help but make me doff my hat towards them.

Imagine all the temptations of playing the game - the story of the MSQ, the content, the gear, the vanity items - in front of a person for such a long time, and for them to say "No, thank you, that would be out of character, for it would put me at a higher level" speaks of a dedication I can't help but admire.

But the emphasis on combat, on stakes, on story-building, all points to this being yet another variation of the same god damned argument people always have - "I will only trust a powerful character given it is done well," with "level" being another restriction on "done well."

(06-24-2015, 02:40 PM)Dogberry Wrote: Yes. If you're a level 1 Pugilist, in my eyes, your character is a level 1 Pugilist. To me, metagaming and godmoding is claiming your character has abilities it clearly doesn't have. If you can't be bothered to level up a job to at least a level where you can pull off a look that fits the job beyond "freshly made character", then I don't see why my character should recognize the skills yours claims to have.

If you're going to RP a character and not level them, why even subscribe to the game? You'd probably be a lot better suited doing forum RP. Gaia Online is over there, bro.

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