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RP Racism? - Arashin Kujqai - 05-21-2017
So I've seen a couple ideas like this thrown around from time to time and I was curious how they go about it. Like do we have any NPC's that make racist remarks based on you being miqo'te or something? Also are there any particular remarks or stereotypes people use? I'm a lil uncomfortable asking this personally but I got curious one day what people could think of that is considered offensive towards an au ra, a roe, or miqo'te etc.
RE: RP Racism? - L'ohba Tia - 05-21-2017
There is racism and prejudice within Eorzea, yes. There's very obviously a stigma against Ala Mhigans that very few people bother to hide. And for Highlanders in general, it's a pretty common and offensive thing to accuse one of their parents of being Roegadyn. There's a ton of racial tension in Gridania toward Duskwights and Keepers of the Moon, who are considered by many citizens there to be savages. Miqo'te, despite how most people treat it in RP, insist very strongly that they are absolutely not related to cats in any way. So that's something that could be used as a racist insult toward them.
RE: RP Racism? - Arashin Kujqai - 05-21-2017
(05-21-2017, 11:04 AM)L Wrote: There is racism and prejudice within Eorzea, yes. There's very obviously a stigma against Ala Mhigans that very few people bother to hide. And for Highlanders in general, it's a pretty common and offensive thing to accuse one of their parents of being Roegadyn. There's a ton of racial tension in Gridania toward Duskwights and Keepers of the Moon, who are considered by many citizens there to be savages. Miqo'te, despite how most people treat it in RP, insist very strongly that they are absolutely not related to cats in any way. So that's something that could be used as a racist insult toward them.For the Roegydan parent thing, I thought races weren't able to breed with each other or something?
I actually never thought about the duskwights and keepers of the moon until now but I can see that for sure. I've never understood some of the ala mhigan hate too, I remember one of the hildibrand quests-
I never quite understood the source of it though, there's a ton of Ala Mhigan hate in general I do seem to notice every so often. Although it sounds less like racial hate and more about cultural hate if anything. Unless Ala Mhigan is counted as a particular race? Instead of it being Hyur or something?
RE: RP Racism? - L'ohba Tia - 05-21-2017
Races can all interbreed, but it doesn't happen often because of racial and cultural divisions. Interracial relationships are pretty heavily looked down upon, but that's something the RP community prefers to ignore.
Ala Mhigans get flak because they showed up on Ul'dah's doorstep 20 years ago demanding homes and jobs, and then a lot of them turned to crime when they found out that jobs don't appear out of thin air. They put a lot of strain on Ul'dah's economy and cause a lot of violence as bandits.
RE: RP Racism? - Momo - 05-21-2017
Not enough of it, SJW need to get on Hyurs (especially Midlanders) for all their cultural appropriation...I WON'T STAND FOR IT.
RE: RP Racism? - L'ohba Tia - 05-21-2017
(05-21-2017, 12:01 PM)Momo Wrote: Not enough of it, SJW need to get on Hyurs (especially Midlanders) for all their cultural appropriation...I WON'T STAND FOR IT.
What about all the Miqo'te claiming Midlander names?!
RE: RP Racism? - TheLastCandle - 05-21-2017
(05-21-2017, 12:06 PM)Lohba Tia Wrote:(05-21-2017, 12:01 PM)Momo Wrote: Not enough of it, SJW need to get on Hyurs (especially Midlanders) for all their cultural appropriation...I WON'T STAND FOR IT.
What about all the Miqo'te claiming Midlander names?!
Lies. S'ean Spicer is a perfectly valid Miqo'te name.
RE: RP Racism? - Arashin Kujqai - 05-21-2017
(05-21-2017, 11:59 AM)L Wrote: Races can all interbreed, but it doesn't happen often because of racial and cultural divisions. Interracial relationships are pretty heavily looked down upon, but that's something the RP community prefers to ignore.Strange, idk where I read it but I swear I saw something about how races can have at it but they won't actually produce a baby in the end >~>;
Ala Mhigans get flak because they showed up on Ul'dah's doorstep 20 years ago demanding homes and jobs, and then a lot of them turned to crime when they found out that jobs don't appear out of thin air. They put a lot of strain on Ul'dah's economy and cause a lot of violence as bandits.
(05-21-2017, 12:06 PM)L Wrote:(05-21-2017, 12:01 PM)Momo Wrote: Not enough of it, SJW need to get on Hyurs (especially Midlanders) for all their cultural appropriation...I WON'T STAND FOR IT.
What about all the Miqo'te claiming Midlander names?!
I WAS AN ORPHAN ;~; mum and dud are ded and never named meh Q.Q
RE: RP Racism? - Momo - 05-21-2017
(05-21-2017, 12:06 PM)L Wrote:(05-21-2017, 12:01 PM)Momo Wrote: Not enough of it, SJW need to get on Hyurs (especially Midlanders) for all their cultural appropriation...I WON'T STAND FOR IT.
What about all the Miqo'te claiming Midlander names?!
That's just bad taste.
(But really though, there is room for racism in this game, and plenty of it. Elezen to Au Ra (or anyone really, Elezen don't like many people lol), Midlander to Highlander (tribalism/nationalism?), everyone to Lalafell, and the list goes on. I do see most of the appropriation of cultures, in part added into each place by the original race/culture, and much of it is due to a concentration around city centers which causes further blending. Much like in the real world, an added element to RP would be a character who doesn't believe themselves to be racist, but finds it in themselves later. Of course, overt racism is easier, quicker, and more prevalent.
I think it is a great RP tool, but one must be cautious of bringing it over to OOC as well, because sometimes it can be taken to a point where fellow RPers stop feeling welcome.)
RE: RP Racism? - Virella - 05-21-2017
Is it still racism if my highlander hates most midlander men? Or is that just sexism now?
But yeah. Racism is a thing. Eorzea doesn't like interracial couples. The couple in the Wanderer's Palace (Hard) quest, a highlander and a Miqo'te if my memory servers me well, is an example from it (even if people like to believe somehow that it's because of them being gay. That's very dumb, because guess what? Being gay is okay in Eorzea. But that's another topic, so I will drop it here). Hilda is an example of it. Those couples, and their offspring if possible, is not an expectable thing in most societies.
Things may be different in the bigger cities though we know the Ul'dah alchemist class trainer who is a hyur who was with a miqo'te and no one seemed to care. But in Ishgard for example, it's not. Unless Aymeric also magically fixed the racism there. Just like, you know, fixing the whole dragonsong war and people being okay with dragons in a few months. But whatever. In any case, Hilda's mother did get banished to a shitty life in the Brume together with her half-elezen/half-midlander daughter.
I've roleplayed a xenophobic character, who would fling insults at your character for being anything but an Ishgardian Elezen. She knew racist comments were the easiest way to piss 'outsiders' off. The thing is though, I didn't roleplay her outright as just going off on people, but she'd made snide comments, and see if people took the bait (aka highlander drops something "lol highlanders and their big clumsy hands, not surprised" type of deal). She loved riling people up. If people were getting offended at me OOC due to that? Well fuck them sideways. Not like I'd to RP with people who blur IC and OOC. She was an amazing tool to check people's capability of keeping that divide.
Honestly having been there with keeping my elezen's relationship a secret from everyone and everything for months on end at first? It was super fun to roleplay. But in the end, when the whole stuff did come out? She ended up being fired, disowned, all her Ishgardian friends dropped her ect. Because I wanted consequences for being with a non-elezen. Sort of funny as well, she deserved it after being such a xenophobic shit.
Even despite roleplaying another character these days who doesn't care if you fuck another race, she'd still tell you your fucking stupid for willingly having a baby with another race due the banishing that child to an awful life. Like she's fine if you're willing to deal with the hatred you and your partner get for being an couple in the open. That's a burden they have to carry due to their own choices. She isn't okay with condemning your own child to it.
Anyhow, I hope my rambling helped.
RE: RP Racism? - Sounsyy - 05-21-2017
(05-21-2017, 10:56 AM)Valic Wrote: So I've seen a couple ideas like this thrown around from time to time and I was curious how they go about it. Like do we have any NPC's that make racist remarks based on you being miqo'te or something? Also are there any particular remarks or stereotypes people use? I'm a lil uncomfortable asking this personally but I got curious one day what people could think of that is considered offensive towards an au ra, a roe, or miqo'te etc.
There's a lot of racism thrown around in the game, yes. Mostly because the five Eorzean races have been going at it back and forth throughout history and have only relatively recently truly been forced to work and live together peacefully. Even along some clan lines there is division. Duskwights, for example, face extreme prejudice in Gridania and are referred to by the derogatory term "Greys" while they, in turn, refer to Wildwood as "Greens." Keepers of the Moon also face some discrimination, though not to the extent of the Duskwight. It's not uncommon to hear people refer to Highlanders having Roegadyn as parents, which the Highlanders find highly insulting. Miqo'te in general do not like being referred to as cats or having any cat ancestry. Lalafellin discrimination is more or less fanon. The actual lore says that Lalafell face very little persecution and instances of it are few and far between. Au Ra, being new to Eorzea, also face very little persecution, though Eorzean races don't really know what to make of them. The only real instance is in Ishgard where the Au Ra were initially slaughtered outright because the Ishgardians thought they were kin to dragons, though that's now been disproven.
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(05-21-2017, 12:20 PM)Valic Wrote: Strange, idk where I read it but I swear I saw something about how races can have at it but they won't actually produce a baby in the end
All of the races can mate and produce children with each other. However, interracial relationships are highly taboo in Eorzea and mixed children face more discrimination than even their parents. There's several instances of interracial and interclan children in the lore, and how they get treated. If you're curious you can find info on that in this post.
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(05-21-2017, 11:59 AM)Lohba Tia Wrote: Ala Mhigans get flak because they showed up on Ul'dah's doorstep 20 years ago demanding homes and jobs, and then a lot of them turned to crime when they found out that jobs don't appear out of thin air. They put a lot of strain on Ul'dah's economy and cause a lot of violence as bandits.
It's a bit more complicated than that. Ala Mhigan refugees initially showed up in Gridania and Coerthas, and both cities closed their gates to them altogether. When they came to Ul'dah, they were told they could stay, but they were denied citizenship, employment, and provisions. The only work that was initially offered them was sex work. Ul'dah's unemployment problem was then exacerbated tenfold with the coming of the Adventurer movement, which began putting many commonfolk out of business across the city-states.
Many Ala Mhigans began setting up settlements in the sultanate lands or moving into run down places like Silver Bazaar. Because no one wanted them there because Ul'dahns viewed them as worthless because they had no money, many merchants and consortiums attempted to bulldoze the areas they had set up camp to make room for mansions and plantations for Ul'dah's most wealthy. You can read more about Ul'dah's treatment of the Ala Mhigans here.
RE: RP Racism? - Erah'sae - 05-22-2017
(05-21-2017, 12:48 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:(05-21-2017, 11:59 AM)L Wrote: Ala Mhigans get flak because they showed up on Ul'dah's doorstep 20 years ago demanding homes and jobs, and then a lot of them turned to crime when they found out that jobs don't appear out of thin air. They put a lot of strain on Ul'dah's economy and cause a lot of violence as bandits.
It's a bit more complicated than that. Ala Mhigan refugees initially showed up in Gridania and Coerthas, and both cities closed their gates to them altogether. When they came to Ul'dah, they were told they could stay, but they were denied citizenship, employment, and provisions. The only work that was initially offered them was sex work. Ul'dah's unemployment problem was then exacerbated tenfold with the coming of the Adventurer movement, which began putting many commonfolk out of business across the city-states.
Many Ala Mhigans began setting up settlements in the sultanate lands or moving into run down places like Silver Bazaar. Because no one wanted them there because Ul'dahns viewed them as worthless because they had no money, many merchants and consortiums attempted to bulldoze the areas they had set up camp to make room for mansions and plantations for Ul'dah's most wealthy. You can read more about Ul'dah's treatment of the Ala Mhigans here.
You can also throw in more problems / resentment towards Ala Mhigan refugees due to the whole trying to invade Gridania bit as well.
RE: RP Racism? - Erah'sae - 05-22-2017
(05-21-2017, 12:06 PM)L Wrote:(05-21-2017, 12:01 PM)Momo Wrote: Not enough of it, SJW need to get on Hyurs (especially Midlanders) for all their cultural appropriation...I WON'T STAND FOR IT.
What about all the Miqo'te claiming Midlander names?!
For Keepers Males you can probably treat this as them being exposed to other races. Â Since they don't really have names of their own, just their mother's name plus a number suffix, they may take on more common names as an assertion of their identity in this new found, liberating, social context?
RE: RP Racism? - Alderique - 05-22-2017
It's definitely there, as Sounsyy referenced. Just be mindful that everyone has different headcanons, so you'll come across different ideas of what racism should be in the setting.
It can even be a little confusing in game, because there are times you will see comments about interracial relationships or attraction, and none of the NPCs will comment on it being taboo. It seems it can be a little inconsistent.
Also, a lot of times I think classism and xenophobia are treated as racism by players in this setting. Just try to be attentive to what you come across, but  most of all, have fun with it and do what's appropriate for your character and your story. Don't force your headcanons on anyone else, and don't let them force theirs on you.
RE: RP Racism? - Kilieit - 05-22-2017
Aghurlal's faced - or rather, found? - a fair bit of racism from other PCs, but it's never been explicit (well, except one time). It's been in the form of things like constantly needing to adjust armour/clothing/bedding/linkpearls to accommodate his horns, being unable to find medical care for issues related to his skin/horns/tail...
I feel like that's more or less in line with what the lore says he should be facing - exclusion via unfamiliarity, rather than expicit hatred.