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A section for Freelancers? - Nanapariri - 03-21-2010
I was thinking recently, since I'll probably freelance for awhile before I decide on any LS, should we have a section for freelancers to communicate just like offering each guild their own section?
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Smiling River - 03-21-2010
It sounds like a good idea, but then I wonder what exactly would it be used for?
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Kylin - 03-21-2010
It sounds good but as Mason already said, what would it be used for? What would freelancers need to talk about that the rest of the forums don't provide? I myself am currently not dedicated to a guild and I'm still not sure what would even be posted in a freelancer section xD
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Nanapariri - 03-21-2010
Well if you're intending on also holding freelancers to the rules it will be good to know who they are.
For instance if a Freelancer is running around griefing and godmodding per RPC standards a guild would e responsible to talk with them. If they were required to register in a thread moderated by a leader responsible for their behavior it might help.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Smiling River - 03-21-2010
This got me thinking... rosters.
Each guild can update their roster, say once a month (the RPC representative can edit the roster thread for their guild). Every name on the roster can be linked to that person's Directory/Library page. There can also be a Freelancers roster. That way we can see who the freelancers are, too.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Aveline - 03-21-2010
Sorry to assist in hijacking the thread (partly), but I don't know about keeping rosters here. Once the game starts up, guild leaders are going to have enough to maintain on their own guild websites (rosters, maintenance, etc.), adding a second area for guild rosters here seems redundant and a bit of an unnecessary time-sink.
As far as who moderates the freelancers.. it seems kind of counter-intuitive to have a freelancer "leader".. what happens if that leader settles on which guild they would like to join? There could potentially be a lot of turnover there. Maybe it would be better if freelancers were to adhere to standard forum rules, and be moderated by the forum moderators? If they join in a roleplaying discussion that is guild-specific (ie. something that would need guild-specific rules) that is for whatever reason not on the guild's own website, it seems reasonable that the freelancer would adhere to that guild's roleplaying rules, and not need a moderator of their own.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - River - 03-21-2010
Mythis Wrote:Once the game starts up, guild leaders are going to have enough to maintain on their own guild websites (rosters, maintenance, etc.), adding a second area for guild rosters here seems redundant and a bit of an unnecessary time-sink.
I agree with Mythis on this point. While the RPC will remain a conduit for guilds to interact, many of them will have their own websites and message boards to maintain and moderate, including rosters. Unfortunately, adding them here as well just simply doesn't seem productive.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Eva - 03-21-2010
Aside from an overall roster (I figure the people who are confirmed RPers on the server), I see no reason to break it down by guild or such. I would assume that once someone's been acknowledged as an RPer they would be given rights to post. Or are we going to either assume that no one will come along, register an account, and spam the forums (either ads or griefers)?
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Smiling River - 03-21-2010
Quote:Unfortunately, adding them here as well just simply doesn't seem productive.
I assume all guilds will post their rules here yes? This is to keep it conveniently all on this site. I think we can all agree that that's productive. I don't see how it's that much more work to copy/paste the rosters here as well. Again, to keep them all conveniently here, which actually increases 'productivity' for most people (except those that have to copy/paste it and keep it updated I guess.) Anyway, just a suggestion.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Eva - 03-21-2010
Rosters typically change a lot more frequently than rules and are difficult to keep updated - we sort of stopped bothering in Crystalline and went loosely by the forum's "Memberlist" which was still somewhat inaccurate for a number of reasons, one of them being that inactive members were often left on for a very long time.
Perhaps if each guild chooses to keep a list of its members on a publicly viewable webpage or forum post... a link can be provided to the RPC. That way it need only be edited at one location. This may or may not be a good idea for the rules information as well (pro: latest version of rules is there, no discrepency between guild rule list and guild rule list posted on rpc forum. con: have to click away from rpc forum to get more information, possible navigation issues). If this were going to be done, and I'm still not entirely certain what purpose it would serve, it would be important that they be kept up to date and publicly accessible though. That's all.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Aveline - 03-21-2010
Kes Wrote:Rosters typically change a lot more frequently than rules and are difficult to keep updated - we sort of stopped bothering in Crystalline and went loosely by the forum's "Memberlist" which was still somewhat inaccurate for a number of reasons, one of them being that inactive members were often left on for a very long time.
Perhaps if each guild chooses to keep a list of its members on a publicly viewable webpage or forum post... a link can be provided to the RPC. That way it need only be edited at one location. This may or may not be a good idea for the rules information as well.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Visitors to RPC who are interested in browsing the rosters of various guilds will have to click a link regardless, whether that link is to the guild's website or to a roster copied to RPC. So why put extra work on the guild leaders to update their rosters in multiple places? There is a guild list on RPC's homepage, which seems like more than enough information for people interested in perusing guilds and links to further information such as membership rosters.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Smiling River - 03-21-2010
Linking would work too, sure. I don't think it's really work to copy/paste something but I guess with a link it'd be as current as it could be since it'll take you directly to the guild.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Nanapariri - 03-21-2010
Mythis I wasn't talking about griefing on the forum. I was meaning more like a forum thread moderator that could be contacted if a Freelancer got out of hand and had to be dealt with by the RPC. I got the feeling from Cas that there will be a representative to the Council from the guilds for voting on issues and that leaves some people out of it.
I'm just saying if a guy wants to grief but he can't be held to the same rules it might not seem fair. Also if an issue is voted on and a certain segment of the community isn't represented then there might be hurt feelings.
I basically was mulling these things over and thought it might be good to bring them up.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Kylin - 03-21-2010
Freelancers will be able to vote on issues just like everyone else. They simply won't have representation in the RPC Council and thus won't be able to vote when the council decides whether or not to take an issue to the public. Giving them representation would be extremely difficult due to the fact that freelancers are just that. Their styles are radically different from person to person and some of them don't join guilds in order to avoid having to deal with rules. Thus, any representative for them wouldn't be able to do much to handle griefing or anything drama related when it comes to freelancers.
That being said, freelancers are still held to the same standards. If they cause issues on these forums, they'll be dealt with accordingly just like anyone else. If the griefing is in game, the best that can be done is simply giving a public notification of the griefer so everyone can just /blist him/her.
In regards to the rosters, I don't think those would be a good idea. It seems like a good idea but it also can turn into a numbers war. That is, certain guilds may feel threatened when other guilds have significantly higher active rosters. This could slowly transform into political rivalries and create tensions. A guild may try to suck up some of the members of a larger guild and cause serious problems between the groups. The smaller RP groups may also feel insignificant compared to the larger ones and struggle to get new members as a result. Thus, roster lists could prove more problematic than they're worth.
Re: A section for Freelancers? - Eva - 03-21-2010
Mason Wrote:Linking would work too, sure. I don't think it's really work to copy/paste something but I guess with a link it'd be as current as it could be since it'll take you directly to the guild.It would be work if it had to be done often enough. Particularly if a guild had a high turnaround rate or had a lot of members joining. A link to their own guild forums' Memberlist, or if they took the time to create a roster of their own seems to be the most efficient solution.