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RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Melodia - 06-26-2014
(06-26-2014, 08:46 AM)Warren Castille Wrote: I have no issue taking responsibility for turning an army of dragons into a bunch of rolling potato people.But the rolling potatoes hide danger behind their cuteness!
.........................................................wait.....
Potatoes?
(lol)
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Cato - 06-26-2014
I've yet to see it done well and it just feels like a rather cheap gimmick. I've paid to change my character's race and appearance in other MMO's but I didn't have them undergo some sort of weird transformation. I simply created a fresh character and new concept.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Berrod Armstrong - 06-26-2014
(06-26-2014, 08:58 AM)Theodric Ironheart Wrote: I've yet to see it done well and it just feels like a rather cheap gimmick. I've paid to change my character's race and appearance in other MMO's but I didn't have them undergo some sort of weird transformation. I simply created a fresh character and new concept.I've seen it done well in a few instances, and used cheaply in others.Â
A character that mine is acquainted with had to come to grips with losing his tail after transforming from Miqo'te to Hyur. He kept trying to twitch it, and always made to move it out of the way when sitting -- only to remember that it wasn't there anymore. The player made emotes about adjusting his vision, being hungrier than he used to, and having trouble being nimble -- though he did enjoy his newfound strength!
Adversely, I've seen people pop up and say, "OH I'M A HYUR NOW WOW IT'S A THING BUT OKAY." Â I don't really have anything against that portrayal, but it's such a waste of a good roleplaying opportunity! Think of the character development!
Sometimes people would rather continue playing a certain character and would rather not perform any sort of retcons -- even after race/sex/guardian changing! It's why I don't particularly see it as a bad thing. It's just a shame that so many folks don't capitalize on it as roleplayers.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Kage - 06-26-2014
I haven't had the time to fully emote and RP how bad and how fast Kage has had to adjust being a Miqo'te now. The first week or so Kage had issues, stumbling and walking about. He had been working on it on the side but he was confronted with the need that he needed to not be a liability in combat or defensive action.
His balance is off. He hits things with his tail. If the Brass blades put him in some place where he needed to hide and scout, he'd forget that he has things to hide *cough* ears *cough* tail* cough* He's taken lengths to breathe through his nose because he's just not used to how strong it is. As a Lalafell, Kage used to always jump ontop of the railing in Quicksand to observe the patrons. Now, he has to be super careful or he'd just jump clear over it or hit something along the way. Like hitting one of the patrons' tables.
Part of why Kage hasn't been falling all over the place is because of necessity. He forced himself through sleepless days and nights, hurting himself physically in the process too, to acclimate to it. Is he completely? Not at all.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Eva - 06-26-2014
Fantasia is a super slippery slope for RP. I generally kind of don't really acknowledge it ICly either. I'm fortunate I think in that nobody that I RP with on an ongoing basis has utilized it at all (but we are mostly like-minded folk anyway) because it's just.... weird. I suppose if one utilize it I wouldn't have a major problem trying to RP through it, but if I were going to use it myself (and I have considered it), it would be after IC killing the character off and starting anew, but maintaining all that OOC progression stuff. I know someone that did something like this, in fact.
What I think would bother me would be if someone who was, say, Elezen used a Fantasia potion to become a Miqo'te and then dubbed themself a nuhn and went on to change their entire backstory (I don't mean fabricating one for him- or herself but actually retconning). This - to me - kind of spits in the face of any and all RP that happened between me and the elezen. Did it never happen? Are we not friends? Do I even know you anymore?!
I think it should be regarded as being extremely rare, and I think in certain situations its use can be seen as creative, so long as it doesn't carry with it any sort of retcons or nullify previous RP. An old female friend who is now suddenly an attractive roegadyn male could certainly create some awkwardness in an RP setting, and some fun problems to try and work through.
But honestly my own preference is that I'd rather just sidestep the entire issue if at all possible. And for myself, if I ever use a Fantasia it will come with a name change and we'll be creating a brand new character (but we've kinda grown to like Eva and Ben so that may well never happen).
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Dogberry - 06-26-2014
I thought it would be a really fun plot for people to go through being slipped a fantasia and changing aspects of the characters several times as they figure out who's responsible for all the mischief.
Then they came out and were $10 a pop. Nope!
I'm not really sure how I feel about it ICly yet. Like, it should be treated as a thing that people know about, but it's kinda rare and dangerous to get and use. I dunno. I guess I haven't thought about it beyond the disappointment in their price.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - K'nahli - 06-26-2014
(06-26-2014, 10:03 AM)Eva Wrote: Fantasia is a super slippery slope for RP. Â I generally kind of don't really acknowledge it ICly either. Â I'm fortunate I think in that nobody that I RP with on an ongoing basis has utilized it at all (but we are mostly like-minded folk anyway) because it's just.... weird. Â I suppose if one utilize it I wouldn't have a major problem trying to RP through it, but if I were going to use it myself (and I have considered it), it would be after IC killing the character off and starting anew, but maintaining all that OOC progression stuff. Â I know someone that did something like this, in fact.
What I think would bother me would be if someone who was, say, Elezen used a Fantasia potion to become a Miqo'te and then dubbed themself a nuhn and went on to change their entire backstory (I don't mean fabricating one for him- or herself but actually retconning). Â This - to me - kind of spits in the face of any and all RP that happened between me and the elezen. Â Did it never happen? Â Are we not friends? Â Do I even know you anymore?!
I think it should be regarded as being extremely rare, and I think in certain situations its use can be seen as creative, so long as it doesn't carry with it any sort of retcons or nullify previous RP. Â An old female friend who is now suddenly an attractive roegadyn male could certainly create some awkwardness in an RP setting, and some fun problems to try and work through.
But honestly my own preference is that I'd rather just sidestep the entire issue if at all possible. Â And for myself, if I ever use a Fantasia it will come with a name change and we'll be creating a brand new character (but we've kinda grown to like Eva and Ben so that may well never happen).
Eva wrote it better than I could have. It's just one of those things that I view as solely developed for the players but was given a LITTLE lore piece just for the sake of making it less random, but not something to be taking seriously; the same way that the job classes in some cases just all happen to be in a situation where they will begin recruiting/teaching again... and to random people of all things.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - TheLastCandle - 06-26-2014
I used Fantasia to change Yvelont into a Lalafell briefly, but it wasn't IC. In fact, the few instances of RP I -did- have while Lalafied, I was playing as a young Lalafell named Hibi. I discovered I liked playing him, so I ended up creating him after changing Yvelont back!
For myself, I'll echo Eva: I'm extremely glad no one directly involved with my character has done this. Fantasia, because of its nature, if it's regarded ICly at all should be seen as something rare and fantastic (ha) and not easily obtainable in the slightest. When people mention these gender and/or race switches happening IC (and there have been a few times it's come up in casual conversation with someone..) I have my characters express disbelief and.. horror in Ken's case.
If I used it, it'd be to ditch Yvelont and create an entirely new persona, keeping my OOC level progression.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Melodia - 06-26-2014
(06-26-2014, 10:16 AM)TheLastCandle Wrote: If I used it, it'd be to ditch Yvelont and create an entirely new persona, keeping my OOC level progression.This. I have a fantasia forever sitting in my retainer space. I'd only ever use it if Ruru was killed ICly and couldn't come back, but even then I'd need to be able to edit my name, so unlikely I'll use it.Â
My take is, I'm Ruru. I'm a Lalafell. I was born a Lalafell and I will die as a Lalafell. Ruru faces a hard life. Short, teased quite often for his height, even bullied and threatened by some players for the same reason. Rejected by some people as "unable to rp with a Lalafell" because others play them in such a childish way. And I took that hard at first. Even considred changing for a minute. But then I accept the pitfalls Ruru faces as part of his life. They are hurdles which he must overcome.
So yeah....no potions for me. Lalafell until the end.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Kage - 06-26-2014
I actually once had the experience of somewhat having to deal with someone re-roll their character and change them a bit without talking to people in FFXIV:ARR. It led to some arguments between him and some people who had had character interactions with him. The very first scenes after he re-rolled were filled with ((Oh he didn't act that way... this is what he did in that situation..)) ((I re-rolled him, that happened differently)).
When I made Kage's change from Lalafell to Miqo'te nothing about him had been retconned about his story. I know people who I talked about it with were worried about it but retconning had never, ever been in mind. It's definitely not been an easily obtainable potion that changed him but an event that may very well turn into a horror event. Experiments of this nature just do not get done without horrific consequences, especially when the victim doesn't know any details about it.
When a name change doesn't involve me being away from the people I enjoy playing the game with for 72 hours I'll be using Fantasia when and if Kage's story is put to rest and/or he dies. I really can't just level a character and go through the main story quest again xD;
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Jancis - 06-26-2014
It sounds like a lot of the problem is really from the inability to name change in a realistic way and that's a real blunder on the developer's part.
I go along with people ICly when they "do the change" to a point. Otherwise if I drastically changed my character then it would honestly just be a new persona in game. I've come to enjoy the mistakes I make when I create a character; they become endearing.Â
I made a cleric/ranger once in Neverwinter Nights which turned out to be a really bad combination, but as it was on a role play private created server I fell in love with her and went with it. She was also human and on the server half-elf was what Dunedain were suppose to be. So she ended up being a regular human whose family protected Dunedain and ended up travelling with her "brother". It brought up a lot of mistrust with the elves, rangers, men, until she proved her motives and she was the best mistake ever. I would have never experienced her storyline if I went and 'fixed' the problem for my initial idea.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - FreelanceWizard - 06-26-2014
Since it's something that has some lore behind it, yeah, I have L'yhta accept that Fantasia is a thing that exists, although to her knowledge, it's extremely rare. Mysterium's had two instances of characters being subjected to Fantasia, and in both cases, it was a fairly large plot point and in one case, it wasn't even Fantasia ICly (it was an "experiment" by an evil, insane alchemist). Both characters have had fairly significant adjustment issues, both socially and physically, and both are still quite angry at the people behind their changes.
Personally, I think Fantasia is a good thing for a story when it produces some interesting RP, like ExKage mentioned. People learning how to adapt to a new form with different physical characteristics and dealing with the social elements (a newly minted miqo'te woman being leered at, a new roegadyn male being viewed as both violent and dumb, etc.) can produce some good stories. Hell, a "we all woke up one morning as Lalafell!" story could be good for a few laughs, albeit expensive laughs. However, like any major character change involving a rare substance, you have to be careful not to be cliche about it.
I have to agree that I don't really like the idea of someone using Fantasia to retcon a character while keeping the same name. However, I don't like people retconning characters in the first place.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Zhavi - 06-26-2014
(06-26-2014, 10:27 AM)Rurutani Wrote: My take is, I'm Ruru. I'm a Lalafell. I was born a Lalafell and I will die as a Lalafell. Ruru faces a hard life. Short, teased quite often for his height, even bullied and threatened by some players for the same reason. Rejected by some people as "unable to rp with a Lalafell" because others play them in such a childish way. And I took that hard at first. Even considred changing for a minute. But then I accept the pitfalls Ruru faces as part of his life. They are hurdles which he must overcome.
So yeah....no potions for me. Lalafell until the end.
Don't worry, Zhi will whip him into shape. >: )
*coughcough*
On topic, because my time in game has been so limited, and the number of people I've rped with has been limited, I thought for the longest time that it was something that people just quietly didn't acknowledge. Like, you know, pretending the guy was always that gender or species.
If I was to use it icly, I'd play it out in such a way as it would be hard as balls to repeat, and would involve some sort of sacrifice so my character would avoid it thereafter. Or I dunno, but pretty much it'd be a one time thing and would involve Bad Things.
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - Melodia - 06-26-2014
(06-26-2014, 11:15 AM)Zhavi Wrote: Don't worry, Zhi will whip him into shape. Â >: )Well then time to get to it! LOL! *points at PM sent* XD
*coughcough*
And no.....no....no....Zhi is NEVER allowed to change! She's the surly, grouchy and tough as nails Miqo'te. Zhi as a Lalafell....?
RE: Fantasia usage ICly? - shotgunbadger - 06-26-2014
Unlike most 'change your character' things Fantasia actually has some lore and junk around it, so I have no problem treating it as an IC thing. Now, it's also supposed to be very rare and precious so if, say, someone used it to change something small like their hair, or seemed to come back every couple months totally changed by it, it'd be kinda a 'what the hell?'