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Just delete this - Kage - 08-22-2014

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RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Unnamed Mercenary - 08-22-2014

I'm sure they only get frustrated because they care. ;_; Anxiety over a game isn't worth it. (Not when they're supposed to be fun)

But I would say that raiding with a group of people you're comfortable with does make things easier. Whether that means being able to yell back at them on a voice chat or something, or knowing that it's a game, and being able to progress at your own pace.

and then there're people like me who need to be dragged into such things because I'll only casually enter them otherwise.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Gar - 08-22-2014

My short answer: Play with friends. I refuse to PUG even dungeons a lot of the time. The game's meant to be fun, and unfortunately our PvE community is full of angst. While there aren't always a ton, there are RPers who like to raid and play the content. Even if you don't join someone's FC, I'm sure there are groups needing another to fill the spot.

Hell, my raid just got a couple spots that opened up. What class do you play?

(I didn't post to recruit you, I promise.) But yeah, my advice would be to find RPers who like to raid. Its typically a lot less stressful. And playing with the same people every week, you get to know them and can trust them. I think that would lower the anxiety over time if you had a steady foundation of people.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Nebbs - 08-22-2014

I know the feeling being an old PvE/PvP obsessed person I still feel the pull. But in the end RP is more rewarding for me. And with limited time RP gets top pick.

As RPers we are unlikely to be at the top of end game just due to the hours needed, but for those who want we should be able to "get there". I have slowly made it past T6, through use of PuGs to learn then often some friends for the tougher wins (eg Titan, T5). Though T6 & Ramuh I PuGed and got lucky.

So it is doable, and if you can spare the time a "static" may work for you. I think ideally you wouln need to look at an RP guild that has some PvE in it and helps members along. I have done this in other games and that works well as long as the PvE is a secondary activity. 

In the end you have to put the work in to be able to do the latest end game, or wait for the echo assist. Try some of the LS for PvE or some FCs do open Raid nights.

Myself I get the urge, go for it and then end up in a PuG of nightmares (attitudes not skill) and run back to my RP, even crafting looks fun compared to some PuGs.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Unnamed Mercenary - 08-22-2014

(08-22-2014, 01:41 PM)Nebbs Wrote: Myself I get the urge, go for it and then end up in a PuG of nightmares (attitudes not skill) and run back to my RP, even crafting looks fun compared to some PuGs.

That's kinda how I treat it. ...I don't mind going into a PuG for some practice, or maybe even just for "lulz". But if I'm actually interested in winning/trying to win, a group of friends generally makes it that much more enjoyable.

But I also love crafting. Ixal quests have been the best thing ever.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Kage - 08-22-2014

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RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Jancis - 08-22-2014

I think it depends on how much progression is important and if it's just a fad with the new content.

Best way to get started with this goal is to ask friends and be available to fill in.
- Ask what is expected and be prepared for that with supplies, spells, guides, theory, etc.
- Ask when they usually run and be around those times. If they need bench people etc. It's always important to give core people a break and to keep a bench up-to-speed and interested so swaps in a good regular static should happen often. Plus I can imagine it with role players in particular they probably like to take a night off.
- If you see someone that you really got in-sync with at a PuG talk to them see if they're on the same server and friend them. Even if the group was a failure there was success in meeting a potential person for a static. Or maybe it was an off-night in their group/they were helping a friend/they were gearing an alt/etc and they might invite you into their main static activities.

Otherwise if this is something that's becoming a super interest there's a difference between a progression-driven player and a role player more often than not. My experience in a different game came back to that conclusion time and time again. Figure out your goals, what you are willing and aren't willing to do, then ask around and see if another group of people are striving for basically the same thing. A guild/free company was typically the way to go in that case because keeping up with separate people was a huge investment of time with little return. Particularly in progression-based goals wasting time was not an option.

But to start out keep using Party Finder keep asking friends maybe set up a little time and figure out when most people are free. Having 4+ people that know each other in a group is a huge step up from total strangers and, even if it fails, it's less of a disappointment.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Jancis - 08-22-2014

(08-22-2014, 01:49 PM)ExKage Wrote: It's hard finding such group that is willing to put ~2 hours per raid night per 2-3 nights a week... when you don't know who or what to look for or you're completely afraid to.

To be horrifically frank, if someone wasn't in my guild/free company I would not make them core.

Period; no exceptions. The raid group is not that person's priority if they can't be in the guild that talks about it, has forum boards about it, can hear each other on a daily basis, work together, etc. It was too important of a show of commitment.

If someone was showing up as a bench spot consistently I would eventually poach them from whatever nonsense guild they were in.

I realize that sounds terrible. Sorry.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - McBeefâ„¢ - 08-22-2014

I'm of the opinion you just be nice and honest when you join groups in PF. Also only join groups in PF with voice, since it implies a certain amount of organization. A surprising amount of the time they'll ask you if you can do the next turn with them, or come back next week. Even if not, your name will get out there.

I'm of the opinion that pugs can turn into groups of friends. So even if you don't know each other at first, eventually you'll become pretty close!

Also known as pugs to hugs.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - LiveVoltage - 08-22-2014

Hrm... I am having a progression problem as well.

I love RP alot, but I also love PvE progression alot. The problem with this though I think is the lack of players willing to take criticism for messing up, or blaming the healer or tank because "Lol, I died so I blame the more essential roles for failing.".

If players could get over themselves and be willing to take criticism, we would see a marginally higher amount of endgame progression group.

For example, I was part of a static for about a week before I got booted not very long ago. It wasn't because I was rude or unwilling to cooperate or anything jerky in general, it was because of other things. They wanted me to use teamspeak, but I couldn't due to the fact that my system acted up when I used team speak and I was bad at dodge heavy mechanics. They kindly asked me to leave and I did, but Ive been working on my dodging skills, what with me being a melee DPS as my main raid class, thats been quite hard.

I'm getting off track, main point is that it's all about the right group and how well you communicate and get along with others.

With that said, if ExKage wants to form a static, I wouldn't mind participating in it, that's if I can get through T5 though.  xD   I have managed to get up to phase 4 in that dang troll of a fight.   xD

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Kage - 08-22-2014

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RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - LiadansWhisper - 08-22-2014

(08-22-2014, 01:59 PM)Jancis Wrote:
(08-22-2014, 01:49 PM)ExKage Wrote: It's hard finding such group that is willing to put ~2 hours per raid night per 2-3 nights a week... when you don't know who or what to look for or you're completely afraid to.

To be horrifically frank, if someone wasn't in my guild/free company I would not make them core.

Period; no exceptions. The raid group is not that person's priority if they can't be in the guild that talks about it, has forum boards about it, can hear each other on a daily basis, work together, etc. It was too important of a show of commitment.

If someone was showing up as a bench spot consistently I would eventually poach them from whatever nonsense guild they were in.

I realize that sounds terrible. Sorry.

I completely disagree with this.

I would understand your position if there were some kind of ranking that depended on guild membership - because in that case, it would be detrimental to the guild itself for the person to not be a member.

But between linkshells and forums, there is no reason why a person not in your Free Company can't be a full participant in your raids and be fully committed.

People join Free Companies for a variety of reasons, and on an RP server it is especially common that people are in Free Companies for RP reasons.  There are quite a few progression-oriented players out there who are in FCs with their RP group, but still desire (and in many cases manage) to be in statics that may have nothing to do with their Free Company for the purposes of progression.  I myself spent time before my break in a static formed of myself, one other FC member, and a mixture of friends we met pugging.  And if you say I wasn't "committed," I'm going to laugh in your face.

You can be on the forums that "talk" about it without being in a Free Company (since your website isn't connected to SE, there's no way for your website to "know" unless you just don't approve them for forum access).  You can be fully committed and talking constantly about it in linkshells without being in the Free Company, since Linkshells are a totally separate thing.

A better characterization of your position is that you personally don't like taking people who aren't in your Free Company to do serious content - which is a completely valid position to have.  But saying that someone has to be in your Free Company or they're not "committed" to doing serious content is quite frankly ridiculous.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - McBeefâ„¢ - 08-22-2014

(08-22-2014, 02:36 PM)ExKage Wrote: So basically it is PUG or build my own static from scratch?

What else would it be?

Either you get 7 other people you know together and work out a static. Or you pug until you find an existing static that needs a permanent replacement.

Not sure what other possibility there would be.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - McBeefâ„¢ - 08-22-2014

(08-22-2014, 01:59 PM)Jancis Wrote:
(08-22-2014, 01:49 PM)ExKage Wrote: It's hard finding such group that is willing to put ~2 hours per raid night per 2-3 nights a week... when you don't know who or what to look for or you're completely afraid to.

To be horrifically frank, if someone wasn't in my guild/free company I would not make them core.

Period; no exceptions. The raid group is not that person's priority if they can't be in the guild that talks about it, has forum boards about it, can hear each other on a daily basis, work together, etc. It was too important of a show of commitment.

If someone was showing up as a bench spot consistently I would eventually poach them from whatever nonsense guild they were in.

I realize that sounds terrible. Sorry.

Also yeah like Liadan I disagree with this too. I'm not a FC member of my current static. Actually only 5/8 of them are. However we've been doing it for the last several months with no issues.

If your static needs a person, and someone pugs it with you, and then keeps showing up when you ask, why not make them a core member! Yes they could jump ship... but so could your FC members.

RE: Getting into Progression Statics - How to? - Aya - 08-22-2014

(08-22-2014, 01:59 PM)Jancis Wrote: To be horrifically frank, if someone wasn't in my guild/free company I would not make them core.

Period; no exceptions. The raid group is not that person's priority if they can't be in the guild that talks about it, has forum boards about it, can hear each other on a daily basis, work together, etc. It was too important of a show of commitment.

If someone was showing up as a bench spot consistently I would eventually poach them from whatever nonsense guild they were in.

I realize that sounds terrible. Sorry.
That does sound terrible.  I never join raid groups (in any game) with a strict guild requirement, and never shall.  I'm glad that I have no interest in doing so for FF, my "nonsense" FC is mine, and shall stay that way :-]

When I join a raid group, you earn my "raiding energy", that's it.  If you expect more, you can find someone else.