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RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Verad - 09-01-2014
Despite his profession, Verad venerates Oschon rather than Nald'thal, feeling that his business is dictated more by the whims of fate and where his feet take him than by the laws of commerce and the typical economy.
According to one chapter of his memoirs, he has been banned from Ishgard at least once on the grounds that a series of unfortunate coincidences and his own glib tongue caused Halone herself to descend from the heavens to take him as her champion and consort. He was forced to decline, feeling that she was doing Ishgard's weather a disservice, and Halone hath no fury like herself scorned. He is therefore a little wary of anybody espousing ardent faith in her, on the off-chance she remembers him and decides to act through her worshippers.
He is ambivalent-to-neutral on the rest of the gods and their worship.
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - WanderingWordsmith - 09-02-2014
Wonderful responses, one and all! It's been quite interesting to see how some of your characters approach something that's influence in-game oft stretches as far as the occasional curse or which of your elemental resistances is highest.
Averill's opinions of, and motivations for, venerating the Twelve are simple but personal ones. His patron deity and primary focus is Oschon, the Wanderer. From an early age he filled himself on tales of adventurers and epic journeys, locked away in his house and school. They were his escape - one that he turned into a reality when he fled home and family. As a consequence of this, Averill relies on his devotion to Oschon to never lead him astray - taking him where the wind blows.
Whilst he is held by the Eorzean reverence of the Twelve, he pays particular attention in his actions to Thaliak, the Scholar. Alongside his patron, Averill is sure to pay his respects to the Scholar whenever he gains an opportunity to learn something of the world.
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Jezune - 09-14-2014
"Oi, the Twelve...? Ah, those folks up there, neh? Well...if we're down here, and they're all the way up there, it's our business what we do, neh? Their time came and went. It's our turn now!"
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - ansemaru - 09-15-2014
Aumeric casually throws out "gods" and "by the twelve" in conversation, but he is not one of true faith. Not by a long shot. Though he was born under the signs of Oschon and has such documented on the records of his birth, he honors the god no more than any of the others. His parents are far from devout, and his only real exposure to religious matters was through text. The first deity who had any bearing on his life was a far more tangible one, with a far more tangible role in the world around him- Garuda. While he doesn't precisely worship her, he has a real appreciation for how terrible and powerful the primal goddess is, as a ward of the Ixal and as a summoner who wields the power of her egi. And that has colored how he sees the hierarchy of gods in Hydaelyn- primals are real, and powerful, to be feared or honored or fought or worshipped, and in some ways are more valid gods than the absent Twelve.
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Jazz Egi - 09-19-2014
You mean Halone? Halone is great...
Oh... Those other ones are okay too. I guess...
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Titor - 09-19-2014
"If there were truly gods whom bestow blessings, the battlefield would be a much less gruesome place. Since it is not, I can only deduct that they do not exist, or care not for your vehement praises and rituals."
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Ridegmuve - 10-30-2014
Iliette doesn't believe in gods, she believes in self sufficiency. Iliette while not the sharpest knife in the box, does require proof of something's existence to believe in it or trust her faith with it. In that while not a primal worshippers she does believe that's as close as we have to Gods. She does curse with the twelve's name regardless of belief!
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Dogberry - 10-30-2014
Dogberry has been a very vocal worshipper of Llymlaen in the past, and had some interesting conversations with Yangh about Menphina. Lately, though, Dogberry's job has been to literally kill actual gods. You kill a god a few times, you begin to wonder what's so damn great about them.
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Steel Wolf - 10-30-2014
"How powerful could a diety possibly be if they fail to intervene on the woes of the world? Granted, they're numerous and seem to spring forth from every rock...but surely a divinity would have the power to assuage at least some of this realm's misery.
"But, no...where gods fall and fail against even an evil that nearly wiped all life from the land, we're left to stand. So by might of arm and blade and book, we will. And woe betide those who would expand this realm's miseries.Â
"I will come for them all."
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Jaliqai - 10-30-2014
Xheja, growing up in a isolated Keeper tribal environment, was brought up believing in the Twelve, but worshipping Menphina specifically. Given that she was (at one point) being groomed to become her tribe's next Matriarch, she was a very vocal worshipper and knowledgeable.
However, after Carteneau and her subsequent move to Ul'dah, her faith in Menphina wavered and she began to worship Nald'thal - albeit much less fervently. Now, given the most recent events in her life, Xheja regards all of the Twelve with equal levels of apathy and, occasionally, outright scorn. But she still occasionally goes through the motions, such as mention of Menphina with other Keepers and making offerings to Nald'thal.
RE: How do you see the Twelve? - Kellach Woods - 10-31-2014
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand I need to repost because Kell's beliefs completely changed. It's less of a retcon than establishing his beliefs prior to encountering the existence of the Twelve in Eorzean mythology and the Eorzeans' worship of her.
Lemme copy/paste a portion of what I put on Kell's wiki entry :
Quote:Kell's wiki entry wrote:
His place of birth do not follow the word of the Twelve, and in fact, had not really heard of Eorzea's deities. Their understanding of the world lies more in humanizing the elements and honoring them as it is their due. The Book of Rites are the collective knowledge gathered by their people in order to best honor the elements and be rewarded for it with either a bountiful harvest or protection from the elements' wrath. It also details their beliefs and rituals not related to the honoring of the elements, such as funeral rites. [...] The rites contained within are a mixture of Feng Shui, Shamanism and a Farmer's Almanac.
The "humanizing" part is far less developed than, say, attributing Ice to Halone and Menphina and lies more into giving human traits to things that are not necessarily human. They speak of massaging the earth rather than upturning the earth for planting seeds, etc. They fan flames literally, rather than figuratively, etc.
On his way to Eorzea, he'd encountered a bard that knew of his village's traditions and told him to not exhibit them due to beings called Primals and how his personal "worship" could be confused by Eorzeans as Primal Worship, which is "punishable" by death. Which is why he was silent on most of this at the beginning, but as he learned to trust a few people, he'd expound more on it.
He respects the Twelve, and may yet use one of the many curses in use by Eorzeans, but a "Lightning take me!" (perhaps not the best example...) may sometimes escape his lips. Other curses could be : "Earth swallow me!", "Fire singe me!", etc. Naturally, "Wind blow me!" is fairly blasphemous for... obvious reasons.
His affinity with Althyk, due to his weapon of choice and what he views as a contrast between his domain (time) and his weapon of choice (mythril greataxe).