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How to SCH? - Kage - 09-15-2014 So... I finally got SCH to 50! last night. (which also means I have SMN but bleh idk) Anyway. In my last few runs of DD and AV I feel like I had issues keeping the party alive without utterly draining my MP. Halp? I'm specifically thinking of the Morbol fights or the bosses who hit really hard or constantly. 2nd boss and 3rd boss in DD. I get less than half of my MP bar in there and I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure as sch I shouldn't get hurt by that so much. I try to keep galvanize up all the time on everyone. Is that bad? I have physic+embrace tied and Eos and/or selene on obey so I hit Fey when I think magic attacks are incoming or whispering dawn when it looks like I need party-wide heals that succor won't be good for. I'd throw sacred soil when gathered but a lot of these fights I had MP issues on people weren't gathered. also. why can't tanks dodge coincounter? I don't remember having a hard time with him. :c RE: How to SCH? - Warren Castille - 09-15-2014 My knowledge of SCH is sketchy at best, but I'm fairly sure you can let Galv drop on anyone who isn't a tank and patch them up if they need it. I've also heard that saving charges for Lustrate is the way to go unless you know there's something incoming that requires Sacred Soil. Edit: Shitty tanks are shit. RE: How to SCH? - Unnamed Mercenary - 09-15-2014 SCH is more about mitigating damage as opposed to big heals. MP Things: USE ENERGY DRAIN! Seriously. If your aetherflow cooldown is done, or will be done and the party's in good condition, spam it a few times and get some MP back, and aetherflow to boost it up more. If you're having to repeatedly throw adloqiums on the entire party, there's an issue. Use physick more often than Adloqium. Or Succor the entire party if you just need a little bit of healing. Physick uses less MP, and heals slightly more iirc. I use a ratio of about 1 adlo to 3 physicks, unless it's a  big pull and the adlo is getting wiped out fast. (Which in that case, it's up to the DPS and tank) Keeping up Galvanize: Only keep it up when needed. If you're fighting a boss, probably only the tank needs it. Just like a WHM wouldn't keep regen on the entire party at all times, you don't need to keep galvanize on everyone either. If you've got stoneskin, you could layer that on top as well. Aurum Vale healing: This is a little harder to help out with without seeing how your tank pulled and how you healed. A lot of the stuff in AV hits pretty hard, so if your tank was overpulling for the group's ability, chances are you were getting overworked. Especially if people couldn't dodge. If there's an AOE-safe spot, you can also stick Eos near the tank or DPS. A quick succor on the party before pulls can help. In somewhere like AV, where you're level synced or at-level, it's a lot harder to accommodate people who are not as ready for the dungeon as they'd like to be. It's also a lot of dodging. RE: How to SCH? - Oscare - 09-15-2014 The SCH motto; "Don't hesitate, Lustrate!" Seriously. Lustrate is your "OH SHIT THINGS ARE HAPPENING" panic button, like with WHM for Benediction (though arguably, a lot of people would argue how Lustrate is better, but that's a different subject). Don't hesitate to use it. At all. Secondly, Energy Drain and Aetherflow are heavenly if you need MP on the dot. Franz explained better than I can. Learn how to be comfortable with your pet -- and manage them as of thet were you. Eos and Selene are the best things ever. A lot of people just SiC them since they have pretty good AI for the most part, but experiment! I can't stress this enough for ACN jobs, but. AETHERFLOW os your best friend. Try to not be overzealous with Succor or Adloquium, they're MP sinks and don't heal for very much, even if they have a great shield bonus. You'll run out of MP, as you eventually run out of Aetherflows. RE: How to SCH? - FreelanceWizard - 09-15-2014 I'll be the first to admit I'm not that great on the ACN Jobs, but I like to think I'm fairly competent healer and I basically never run out of MP on SCH. The approach I use is:
RE: How to SCH? - Unnamed Mercenary - 09-15-2014 (09-15-2014, 11:58 AM)Oscare Wrote: The SCH motto; Lustrate's LV50. ...It wouldn't be there for AV :< My general SCH rotation is Protect (if no WHM) -> Stoneskin (if not WHM AND before initial pull/bosses/when needed) -> Succor (once) -> Adlo the MT -> Eye for Eye MT Then physick and Adlo as needed, which a Succor here and there for the party, if needed. After that, I'm just a slightly weaker DPS RE: How to SCH? - Nebbs - 09-15-2014 Some one liners from me:
On macros:
There is a lot in some of these lines.. hope it helps RE: How to SCH? - Phayte - 09-15-2014 I've been playing a scholar for a bit and while no expert, I'll just put down some things I try to follow (hard to keep track of what everyone said so might be redundant, also just generals rules not accounting for skill limitations in lower level dungeons):
If anyone see anything wrong on my tips, feel free to correct, but that's the rules I follow and it works out pretty well. (Also, there's nothing wrong with using up your mana, sometimes you just have to. Better to finish a fight at 1% than to lose a fight 50% mana to state the obvious). RE: How to SCH? - Edgar - 09-15-2014 I highly recommend these macros. /macroicon Adloquium /pac Embrace <t> /ac Adloquium <t> /macroicon Lustrate /pac Embrace <t> /ac Lustrate <t> /macroicon Leeches /pac Embrace <t> /ac Leeches <t> If you're a mouse-over healer, replace <t> with <mo>. Basically, by macroing embrace with these skills, you get that extra healing power without having to actually order your pet to do it. Just make sure your pet is in Obey stance. RE: How to SCH? - Tiergan - 09-15-2014 I'm just going to voice my support for macro'ing the crap out of your fairy. I have pretty much everything I do linked with a fairy ability. If you haven't gotten Stoneskin or Swiftcast yet, I would definitely get them. Swiftcast is a lot higher on your list of cross-class priorities than Stoneskin (so that you can swiftcast raise folks!), but they're both excellent. RE: How to SCH? - Kage - 09-15-2014 (09-15-2014, 02:07 PM)Tiergan Wrote: I'm just going to voice my support for macro'ing the crap out of your fairy.  I have pretty much everything I do linked with a fairy ability.I've found CNJ to be utterly boring ;; so stoneskin may yet be something that comes..... way later in the future. I've totally run with your sch once in a roulette. It was fun. Even if the tank wanted to pull the entire first room in bray hm. /stalker /cry Those macros look awesome and I shall have them replace my current just the vanilla skill when I get home thank you! So it sounds like I was overhealing the crap out of people to the point where it became a small detriment when I needed to heal them with physick+embrace. And I should try to have a stack or two to either energy drain or lustrate before I use aetherflow again? RE: How to SCH? - Warren Castille - 09-15-2014 (09-15-2014, 02:52 PM)Kage Wrote: Even if the tank wanted to pull the entire first room in bray hm. /stalker /cry ...what's wrong with that ._.;; RE: How to SCH? - Kage - 09-15-2014 (09-15-2014, 02:54 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:That pull did not end well. xD(09-15-2014, 02:52 PM)Kage Wrote: Even if the tank wanted to pull the entire first room in bray hm. /stalker /cry RE: How to SCH? - FreelanceWizard - 09-15-2014 (09-15-2014, 02:52 PM)Kage Wrote: And I should try to have a stack or two to either energy drain or lustrate before I use aetherflow again? Optimally, you want to run out of stacks of Aetherflow just before you activate it again, but it depends on the fight (in Titan HM or Ultima HM, for instance, sometimes the fight just doesn't work out that way because of unexpected burst damage). I usually try to time my Aetherflow-using abilities so that one is done right after I use it, one's about halfway through the cooldown, and one is near the end of the cooldown, but the most important thing is to be out of stacks right before it comes off cooldown. If that means burning them on Energy Drain right at the end of the cooldown, so be it; you're contributing damage and helping your MP. RE: How to SCH? - LiadansWhisper - 09-15-2014 (09-15-2014, 10:52 AM)Kage Wrote: So... I finally got SCH to 50! last night. (which also means I have SMN but bleh idk) Let's discuss a few things, shall we? Things you absolutely need to do your best as a Scholar: - Protect (from Conjurer) - Stoneskin (from Conjurer - and yes, I know people are gonna say, "Oh, but the Conjurer version is SO MUCH BETTER why even bother as a Scholar?"  The answer to this is that 10% is better than 0%, and damage never taken is damage you don't have to heal.  So get the Stoneskin and use it, padawan.) - Swiftcast (from Thaumaturge - you already know why you need this!) Things you should always be keeping in mind as a Scholar: - Virus - You ever wanted the tank to stop taking so much damn damage ("OH MY GOD WHY ARE THEY SO SQUISHY") long enough for you to spam heal him up with Eos?  This is the button you were looking for.  It's cheap, effective (works even on magical attacks!) and really easy to use.  MAKE FRIENDS WITH VIRUS TODAY AND TANKS ALL OVER WILL LOVE YOU. - Eye for an Eye - "But, Liadan," you say, "It's only 10% and only if they actually proc it."  Yes, yes.  Refer to, "10% is better than 0 percent, and damage not taken is damage you don't have to heal."  Also: It sits on the tank for 30 seconds. Unless the boss just isn't hitting the tank, it will always proc at some point (and is awesome for group pulls where everybody gets it!) - Shadowflare - "But Liadan, that's a DPS spell!"  Uh huh.  Hey, you see that Slow debuff it put on the mobs?  That slows the mobs' swing timer and makes it easier to interrupt casts (since they're slowed down, too).  If the mob is hitting your tank less often, your tank is taking less damage.  Isn't that amazing? - Fey Covenant - "But Liadan, that's just a silly Eos thing."  Yes!  And it reduces the damage people take from incoming magical attacks.  So stick Eos near the tank (usually on the mob's butt) and use it when you don't have another CD to use.  It DOES work, and can be really effective on things like the Jura Aevis's Strident Scream.  Wait, you're not micromanaging Eos?  Start micromanaging Eos. - Fey Illumination - Everything going to pot and people's healthbars aren't rising fast enough?  Pop this.  It's really nice for that, and is also nice if someone has a healing debuff you can't dispel.  It isn't a humongous boost, but is useful nonetheless.  - Rouse + Whispering Dawn - Macro these together and use them when you have heavy incoming damage you know will pierce Succor.  This combination is like, 3 Medicas from a White Mage all rolled into a Heal Over Time ball. - Sacred Soil - Damage reduction + procced free Succor.  It's pretty self-explanatory.  The only thing is to remember that it will replace your Shadowflare, so you'll have to recast it after the Sacred Soil fades. - Energy Drain - as others have said, use this when you don't think the tank will be taking any heavy incoming damage, your Aetherflow is off CD, you don't want to Bane anyone, you don't need a Sacred Soil anytime soon. - Aetherflow - use this on CD unless you have Aetherflow stacks to spend or you're full on mana with Aetherflow stacks. I'm missing a few, but generally speaking, order of priority as a healer is: - Where am I standing?  Is it in the goo?  If in goo, move.  If not, stay. - What's my healthbar doing?  Do I need healing or I'll die?  Heal myself.  Make Eos heal tank while healing myself (or, have Eos heal you and you heal the tank, whichever). - What's the tank's healtbar doing?  If he needs more than a bit of healing, heal him (use Adlo judiciously).  If he needs just a lil healing, use Eos.  If the tank's healthbar is spiking up and down, use a CD - Virus or Eye for an Eye, or even Fey Covenant or Fey Illumination, depending on the situation. If shit's gone crazy, drop Sacred Soil under his feet. Sure, it's just for him, but he still gets the damage reduction! (I do this all the time with Power Word: Barrier while raiding as Disc in WoW.) - How are the DPS doing?  If they need healing, heal them.  If they're in the goo, tell them to move. - If anyone else but you is in the goo, ask them to move.  If they don't move, stop healing them. - Is there some heavy incoming damage coming up?  Prepare - Sacred Soil/Succor/Fey Covenant/Fey Illumination/prep a Rouse + Whispering Dawn (you need to get used to doing this ahead of time, as Eos doesn't always immediately respond) - whichever is appropriate. You need to be rotating this in your head constantly.  But the most important questions are, in order of importance: 1) How is MY health (you can't heal while dead), 2) How is my TANK'S health (you die if he dies), 3) How are the DPS's health (you need them to kill the boss), 4) Is Eos dead/almost dead (you actually DO need your fairy in high-damage fights.  And you want her CDs!) I'm going to differ at this point from other people Do not macro Embrace to Adlo or anything else.  Many times, you will want to heal someone else while also maintaining the tank.  This is what Eos is for.  So you hit your Adlo button, then hit your Embrace Macro for the other person.  What I use is: /micon "Embrace" /pac "Embrace" <mo> The "<mo>" is mouseover.  In fact, I suggest that you get used to using mouseover macros, because they will make your life so much easier. For Lustrate: /micon "Lustrate" /ac "Lustrate" <mo> For Adlo: /micon "Adloquium" /ac "Adloquium" <mo> For Physick: /micon "Physick" /ac "Physick" <mo> For Leeches: /micon "Leeches" /ac "Leeches" <mo> For Rouse + Whispering Dawn: /micon "Whispering Dawn" /ac "Rouse" <me> /pac "Whispering Dawn" <me> Eye for an Eye: /micon "Eye for an Eye" /ac "Eye for an Eye" <mo> Control is extremely important for a healer, and controlling precisely where Eos is doing her healing is really important for a Scholar.  I feel that Using Eos's abilities separately from my own makes Eos much more useful. If you have trouble healing yourself with those mouseover macros when you're not in a party, then I suggest you go to Character Configuration --> Mouse -- > "Enable clicking on self." If I think of anything else, I'll try to post it. |