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What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Cailean Lockwood - 12-28-2014
Currently, I have 2 characters: Hyur Midlander who is a Rogue/Ninja, and a Wildwood Elezen who is an Arcanist/Summoner.
Being a former World of Warcraft player and having been a roleplayer since I was 12 or so, the way I write a character's personality and background has alot to do with what race and class he is. FFXIV (and FFXI before it) introduced the ability to switch between classes/jobs on the same character...
... However, it is something I am STILL not all that comfortable with. Gameplay wise, I can see how effective it is, but as an RP'er, it disturbs how I form and play my characters. So I still usually have just 1 class/job per character (though I have tried a few other classes with my Elezen, I keep him as an Arcanist/Summoner).
And so I ask you guys, what Race and Class/Job combination do you prefer on your characters?
Do you have the same "stigma" as I do with having one certain class/job per character, or do you enjoy having your character be every class/job the game has to offer? Maybe you prefer being a certain role, like the Disciple of Magic or only using Tank classes/jobs?
BONUS QUESTION!:
If you are going to make an Au Ra when the expansion comes out, what main class/job would he/she be?
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Yssen - 12-28-2014
Race - Duskwight. They are just neat. They have a very Dalish elf vibe, if you are at all familiar with Dragon Age (even more so now that we have that glorious Gelmorra lore bomb). They are outcasts with no home to call their own, and they have a nice streak of rebel in them. Very freedom over order. Love that stuff. Plus they are an entire race of "not but bandits and thieves and killers." (Thanks so much for that Greens!) What is not to love?
Class/Job - I did not really have one when I made Yssen, at the time nothing fit. He is what he is and what he is is (Redacted). Being super used to job swaps from FFXI I adopted a policy of defining the character and then making use of several jobs that fit best. Never more than 4, always with 1 that would be considered primary. I also usually cut off jobs as well, with the character being unable to master or use the abilities attributed to that job. In Yssen's case, he is unable to use healing magic, and party support magic. While he is somewhat of a prodigy as far as aether manipulation goes, his mastery is limited to that which is rooted in/for the self and used for aggressive/destructive purposes. That said his 4 root jobs are NIN, BLM, (Redacted), and (Redacted). With his 4 jobs he can never touch being BRD, WHM, SCH, and SMN.
All things being equal, if I had to pick just one that fit the most... NIN. Hands down. It hits too many stupid levels of sense. Seriously. Jaques and Chiane never let me go a day with out saying some the to the effect of "NIN makes all the sense!" Lul.
Love threads like this btw. TY for posting bits! ^ ^
BONUS QUESTION! - Maybe. Maybe for Leion (alt of MYSTERY!), but even then given that he is (Redacted. Lots of Redacted.) it may not make a whole hell of a lot of sense. Still, I am thinking about it, and DRK would be the job.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Nebbs - 12-28-2014
I think FFXIV offers you another way to view a character, the fact that you can have all the classes available with some xClass skills too.
So I would say that you come up with a concept that you want, then see how it fits against what is available. From the specialist scholar who has really gotten to the top of that profession, down to the jack of all trades that has a bit of each.Â
Remember the difference comes from your RP not the game skills the toon has. You decide how this goes, what level of skill etc..
With that said, my approach was to RP Nebula through that base level competency and some strengths. Her main path was Archer > Bard > Healer, such that now she is a Hedge Witch doing alternative healing, but is still handy with a bow. On her way she was forced to learn the basics of the other forms of magic and combat, she will never be the Black Mage or even Conjurer, she is a Witch with her own RP wrap. Crafting wise she can't cook and has some basics in Wood/BTN from her archer days, Gems is where she has focused and the closest I got to this was Goldsmith.
Hope that helps.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Steel Wolf - 12-28-2014
I'm forever and always a Roegadyn, because it's such a unique race...and in-game it ended up also being remarkably unique. That said, even with the explanation of the Hellsguard, I still have that old tired trope of the big beefy races being the big beefy jobs. As such, Steel will always be the heavy hitter or tanker classes. It's a mental limitation that I just can't seem to shake.
My one alt is an Elezen, again because it seemed unique enough in-game once more and I'm just intrinsically drawn to races that are generally less selected. This time she's a little bit more flexible in terms of makeup--she can be a wily wood elf archeress, or a wise magics caster or--as I'm writing her--a lithe and swift hand-to-hand fighter.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Aaron - 12-28-2014
No offense to any RoegadynÂ
But don't they look funny as NIN? Running around like that with those tiny ass knives and the clumsy looking mudra lol
I mean the female Roe can make it work no problem but the males just look dorky.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Steel Wolf - 12-28-2014
(12-28-2014, 01:00 PM)Aaron Wrote: No offense to any RoegadynÂ
But don't they look funny as NIN? Running around like that with those tiny ass knives and the clumsy looking mudra lol
I mean the female Roe can make it work no problem but the males just look dorky.
It's precisely why Steel isn't ever touching the class, I completely agree. I even took it under consideration when I made my Elezen--she's the lowest possible height slider so her lankiness didn't make her Pugilist animations look too awkward to me. XD
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Cailean Lockwood - 12-28-2014
I also find it a bit odd when a heavy, muscular male Roe or Highlander Hyur is any sort of robe-wielding spellcaster. It just looks a bit odd.
But all respect to those who like it and can pull it off. ^^
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Iex - 12-28-2014
Have any of you actually... played a Roegadyn with daggers? They are not small.
http://imgur.com/a/FFzAM
The relic ones are taller than a Lalafell. It also seems the trope of muscle bound brute is coloring perspectives of what races belong to what class.
Humorously, both my main characters fall into both spellcasting Hellguard and Ninja Hellguard. In the case of the spell caster, I consider him fit and muscular, but not a hulking mass of strength (still stronger than a Highlander but certainly not the strongest Reogadyn in any way). I would assume that the more complex and intense magic would also take a considerably physical endurance. My Ninja (well I am not sure how 'ninja' he is, still debating that) is a typical large Roegadyn but slightly more lithe in comparison to bulging muscles that a typical axe wielding Seawolf but certainly is not lacking in strength.
Sheer size really doesn't restrict the ability of a character or (someone IRL) from being flexible, nimble, or intellectually focused.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Steel Wolf - 12-28-2014
(12-28-2014, 02:45 PM)Iex Wrote: Have any of you actually... played a Roegadyn with daggers? They are not small.
http://imgur.com/a/FFzAM
The relic ones are taller than a Lalafell. It also seems the trope of muscle bound brute is coloring perspectives of what races belong to what class.
Humorously, both my main characters fall into both spellcasting Hellguard and Ninja Hellguard. In the case of the spell caster, I consider him fit and muscular, but not a hulking mass of strength (still stronger than a Highlander but certainly not the strongest Reogadyn in any way). I would assume that the more complex and intense magic would also take a considerably physical endurance. My Ninja (well I am not sure how 'ninja' he is, still debating that) is a typical large Roegadyn but slightly more lithe in comparison to bulging muscles that a typical axe wielding Seawolf but certainly is not lacking in strength.
Sheer size really doesn't restrict the ability of a character or (someone IRL) from being flexible, nimble, or intellectually focused.
Oh, I'm not saying people SHOULDN'T be allowed to be RoeNinja. I'm personally just finding it hard to get over visually. If there were a few more options of body style then it'd be simpler for me to navigate. And I haven't played the combination, but have seen it in action on the field.
Again. This is all a personal failing of perception and my own admitted inability to write a Roegadynja compellingly. I even said so in my first post:
(12-28-2014, 10:47 AM)Steel Wolf Wrote: ...I still have that old tired trope of the big beefy races being the big beefy jobs. As such, Steel will always be the heavy hitter or tanker classes. It's a mental limitation that I just can't seem to shake.
Highlights added for emphasis. If you can pull this off, then that's awesome. Matter of fact I'd ask for tips. :3
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Iex - 12-28-2014
(12-28-2014, 02:59 PM)Steel Wolf Wrote:(12-28-2014, 02:45 PM)Iex Wrote: Stuff wrote.
Oh, I'm not saying people SHOULDN'T be allowed to be RoeNinja. Â I'm personally just finding it hard to get over visually. Â If there were a few more options of body style then it'd be simpler for me to navigate. Â And I haven't played the combination, but have seen it in action on the field.
Again. Â This is all a personal failing of perception and my own admitted inability to write a Roegadynja compellingly. Â I even said so in my first post:
(12-28-2014, 10:47 AM)Steel Wolf Wrote: Stuff you wrote
Highlights added for emphasis. Â If you can pull this off, then that's awesome. Â Matter of fact I'd ask for tips. Â :3
Oh, I wasn't directing my post at you, sorry! Just addressing the 'small ninja knives' and how I deal with large races and less form fitting classes.
I do understand the physical appearance issues with some classes. I cannot roll a midlander or elezen because their neck doesn't match their body in my opinion (this is a personal opinion that I wish I could get over). This can be addressed by gear choice to trick the eyes or conceal the aspects that bother the individual.
RP wise, the matter of size should only actually come into affect in instances of things with size comparisons. Naturally, my Roegadyn ninja isn't going to be able to fit his fingers into as small spaces as lalafell. However, he is comfortable in his own skin so he would have ways to deal with that rather than it being an awkward matter. A character should not be awkward in his own skin unless he if by magic he suddenly is a different size. (Fantasiaed Lalafell into a Reogadyn would be a barrelful of awkwardness and clumsiness)
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Basically, the way I deal with classes that seem unusual for the character, is I don't. Unless they are just learning a new skill (a pugilist novice learning the forms for the first time) or using things not designed for him (a Roegadyn having to use a sword designed for a Miqote) a character should be used to their body and how to make things work for them. If the 'animations' for an attack seem odd to me for the race, I merely change my perspective of how my character does it in RP rather than denying the ability for the character if ICly he can do it.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Parvacake - 12-28-2014
Lalafells as tanks. Meh. Just can't see it as an IC thing.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Volk - 12-28-2014
Logical: Wildwood Archer/Bard. It says somewhere (i forget where) in the lore that Wildwood Elezen have very good hearing and eyesight. That, coupled with my headlore of them being culturally rich leads me to believe they would make good archers and bards.
My preference: Wildwood Lancer/Dragoon. I don't recall the specifics, but I'm pretty sure Ishgard is a place where Hyur and Elezen live together in relative harmony (you know, aside from the endless dragon war). I feel like a smaller-framed person, like a midlander Hyur, would be more acrobatic than a gangly Elezen. Still, I like to think the Elezen has grace and maybe even a bit of status as the first-born of Eorzea. This makes me really enjoy seeing Elezen Lancers/Dragoons. Like. . A time-honored tradition type thing.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - Clover - 12-28-2014
I have OP's "problem" as well. I simply can't level all the jobs on a single character, because each job has a different charisma and my characters' personalities are more important than a convenient gameplay. I wish I had a different mindset (game would be easier), but I just can't *laughs*.
As for my Au Ras, my first one will be a ninja. Not literally a ninja, she'll just know to use small blades. I chose this job because I see her as a fragile girl who still has some notion of how defend herself; she doesn't possess much strength, but she's fast. Ninja was the most similar to that idea.
My second Au Ra will be an Astrologian. No physical strength, no agility; the damage she causes isn't physical either. She will be protected by a loyal and almost soulless guardian (a male Au Ra Dark Knight).
Just for the record, I really wanted to play Machinist, but I just can't imagine a machinist Au Ra. It doesn't suit the charisma I have in mind for mine.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - K'nahli - 12-28-2014
I'm not sure if this was what you meant, but I'll list the races that are my favourite/the most fitting to the job in my opinion:
((Note: This is for aesthetics))
White Mage -
Female, Hyur midlander
Female, Lalafel anything(I can't tell the difference)
Scholar -
Female Elezen opposite-of-duskwight
Lalafel anything
Astrologian -
Female, Miqo'te anything(more partial towards Moonkeeper possibly)
Female, Au Ra anything(also more partial towards the "moonkeeper" subrace)
Black Mage -
Lalafel anything(I can't tell the difference; slight male preference)
Male, Elezen Duskwight
Dragoon -
Elezen Duskwight
Miqo'te anything
Ninja -Â
Miqo'te anything
Hyur Midlander
Monk -
Male, Hyur Midlander
Male, Miqo'te Sunseeker
Bard -
Female, Miqo'te Sunseeker
Paladin -
Lalafel anything
Male, Hyur Midlander
Female, Hyur Midlander (not what I typically see but honourable mention for being cute)
Warrior -
Male, Roegadyn anything
Male, Au Ra anything
Dark Knight -
Male, Au Ra anything
Male, Hyur Highlander
Having said that, I have male, midlander warrior. Also this is not to say that I don't particularly like anything else, they're just the more "official" races attributes to the class in my book. Female, sunseeker paladins and warriors are also really cute.
Not mentioning gunner since I don't really know. Also no mention for Summoner since I have no idea what they do other than make some random Egis appear around the map.
RE: What Race+Class/Job combination do you prefer? - TheLastCandle - 12-28-2014
Elezen for life, naturally. As for jobs, I like FFXIV's system in that I can change jobs whenever I want, and I have almost all of them capped at this point - but I only use a few of them IC. I play Yvelont as a former knight of Ishgard turned ranger of the wild. This means he is quite adept at most forms of melee weaponry, especially the polearm, one and two-handed swords, mace/morningstar (one day! maybe!) and the axe, in that order. I generally keep to one actual JOB RP-wise, and for Yvelont, that is Dragoon.
Yvelont is a capable enough archer, and will often use one in his patrols of the Twelveswood or for hunting game elsewhere, but he knows his talents are best suited to melee combat.
As for the decidedly NOT IC jobs: He has absolutely no skill with thaumaturgy, conjury, ninjutsu, or arcanima. He lacks the subtlety required to be a stealthy dagger-wielding rogue, and while he could probably hold his own unarmed in a bar-fight, a fist-fight with a properly trained pugilist would end with Yvelont reduced to a breathless mound of defeated flesh.