(08-20-2014, 03:04 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:I actually enjoy running plots where it can be totally up in the air who the 'villains' are. Different sides, fighting for different ideals -- none of which are outright -wrong-, but they oppose each other so solidly that the success of one side means the obliteration of the other's way of life.Â(08-20-2014, 02:49 PM)LiveVoltage Wrote:(08-20-2014, 02:28 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:I think you misread what I typed. Of course villains wont be able to blow up Ul'dal, but neither are they going to be blocked at every turn either.(08-20-2014, 02:25 PM)LiveVoltage Wrote: I would agree, but sadly not. It's not fun if the bad guys don't win every now and then. It makes them look weak and insignificant. Big bads are Big Bads for a reason, so they deserve to win some because their position as a big bad demands it, otherwise its just bad RP.
Just remember, nobody likes a Paladin who always wins nor a villain who always looses. Its really give and take for the whole thing and striking a balance between win's and defeat's is what make's RP fun because you never know what will happen.
There is a slight issue here that these plots often blow up out of control. It's one thing for a villain to get away, or have a small victory. But Ul'dah is not going to get blown up. It's just not going to happen. Everyone knows it, the plot is still fun, but there is no other way to do such a high stakes plot besides internally knowing the heroes will win.
I meant it generally that the villain's should win some, if you want a more simple explanation. I never meant that they should kill 1000 people and be able to get away with it, totally blowing what I originally meant out of proportion.
Fair enough, perhaps I should have been more specific and said 'in the end'
Yes obviously villains will score their early victories, that's what gives the story tension. But the final outcome for most of these large plots is never really in doubt.
Makes for an interesting take on 'letting the villains win'.
Especially when the 'villain' is you!