(04-17-2015, 04:12 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: I can't speak for the family bit, but I'm pretty sure it's intended to be a microcosm. I don't see why Square Enix would call it 'Little Ala Mhigo' to subsequently go ahead and grossly misrepresent its demographics. Lore and random assortment of characters from 1.0 aside, all the stuff we've seen of Ala Mhigo is it being the city of the Highlanders. Raubahn, Ilberd, Avila from Hildibrand (to which a local Ul'dahn goes "These damn Ala Mhigans"). The Highlander refugees in and around Ul'dah, and those refugees who integrated into Ul'dah to become soldiers and other professions. We do not see Ala Mhigan refugees who are not Highlander/Hyur in 2.x, at least I have not seen them. And if these exceptions have not been overtly presented to someone who has played a lot of the game, then I feel pretty confident in assuming that Ala Mhigo is predominantly Highlander/Hyur.
Otherwise, I'd appreciate someone posting a very unambiguous piece of lore that indicates Ala Mhigo is not primarily Highlander. A Miqo'te Ala Mhigan PC doing so is probably going to have a helluva lot of bias to it, when the Miqo'te race is notoriously composed of the most lore libertytakers. Yes, terribly fallacious I know.Â
I'm not talking about obscure characters or dialogue, too. The demographics of Ul'dahn Highlanders and Little Ala Mhigans speaks very strongly.
This is a strawman argument.
No one in this thread has ever said that Ala Mhigo is not predominantly Highlander (well, unless that's what you were trying to claim, Ryoko. In that case - apologies.) only that it's not entirely Highlander and that there is a small population of other races, which was exemplified in the few cut-scenes we saw in 1.0 of the Ala Mhigan Resistance. In 1.0 that was literally one of the main chunks of story where we actually saw Ala Mhigans in the game, so when Sounsyy and myself rolled up miqo'te Ala Mhigan women - it just wasn't really a weird sticking point in the lore. A lot of Ala Mhigan players back then were Highlander, but they were also roes, lalas, elezen, etc because that's what the game presented to us at the time.
So yeah, it bothers me just a little for people to appear and claim all the Ala Mhigan based RP I did as Lurial in 1.0 is irrelevant and invalid just because they don't think 1.0 counts.
Even if we DO decide all of the roegadyn, lalafell, elezen, and midlanders from 1.0 were just there because SE decided to break it's own lore for whatever reason: Minfillia, Wilfred, the Hellfire Phoenix miqo'te champion from 1.0 who shows up as your client in the level 50 2.0 Blacksmith quest, and 3 Hellsguard Roegadyn hanging out in Little Ala Mhigo (along with that old midlander you mentioned) show that non-highlander Ala Mhigans do exist even in 2.0
Why so quick to conveniently shove the roegadyn couple under the rug as though they don't count? I guess maybe those three roegadyn and the roegadyn in the 1.0 MSQ cutscenes are all exceptions too? Or perhaps just added for flavor? Maybe they don't count because they're not major NPCs? Where do we draw the line on what 'counts' and what doesn't when they're actually in the game itself? When is something not obscure enough to 'count' as lore? People can argue they were tossed in just to make things appear diverse -- but the fact of the matter is, that's an assumption based upon zero evidence. No one can actually know whether or not SE decided to say "fuck the lore, we need some character model diversity" where as these characters are actually in the game as Ala Mhigans and some of them are written directly into quest lines or referenced in items in 2.0. You can try to split hairs and say 'maybe these roe are just visiting adventurers' - but they're clearly dressed in similar colors/attire as the rest of the camp and the husband/wife couple is actually getting extorted by the highlander in a way that suggests they live there and they aren't just visiting adventurers who can pick up and leave.
At the end of the day, I get it. Despite all of this, you're going to continue to believe Ala Mhigans can only be highlanders. And even if it irks me a little because I liked the RP I did in 1.0 - that's totally okay. We're allowed to disagree with each other and the server's big enough for us to find our own circle of friends to have rich narrative experiences with. I enjoy lore debates as long as they're respectful, which large portions of this thread have been and I'm appreciative of that. There's plenty of aspects of the lore I don't really agree with everyone in the RPC about. I've been able to get along with/RP with most of them just fine.
What irritates me more is that your assertions are often wrapped tightly around your notorious dislike not for 'miqo'te' as a race, but miqo'te players themselves - which you have consistently made clear on these forums and in game many times over. You even exemplify it here in your post writing off the majority of miqo'te players as being composed of 'lore libertytakers'.
If you're going to debate the lore - then debate the actual lore without those petty remarks. It's okay if you think a lot of miqo'te RP poorly or in a way you dislike. It's even okay if you think I'm breaking the lore, because like I said - two people can disagree on the lore without being called a butthead. But at least have this discussion without taking the time to paint a large brush over miqo'te players as though the vast majority of them are animu garbage 'lore libertytakers' that don't deeply care for the setting they're playing in. It's one thing to say I specifically, or other folks specifically in this thread are RPing in a way you feel is inconsistent with the lore -- it's another to just label the vast majority of a player group that way as though the large bulk of us are the same.