(06-08-2015, 01:15 AM)Intaki Wrote:Show ContentAsciansWhile the only source on Ascian origins we have is not entirely trustworthy (being the Ascians themselves) we know that they at least believe their kind predates the present world as we know it. The possible exceptions being Lahabrea and Elidibus who are referred to as "of this world" (and thus able to bypass the ward created by the Blessing of Light).Â
The Ascians claim to have instigated seven rejoinings, each corresponding with the seven eras, with the express purpose of seeing the world return to the state in which it existed before the existence of Hydaelyn.
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SpoilerSince we can't know with absolute certainty that they're lying/wrong (although it's implied that they are what they are by wholly unnatural means, and they have repeatedly used deceit and trickery to achieve their aims, so we know that they lie as a matter of course), I'm not going to fight you on this one, although I believe they're lying when they claim to be "before the creation of the world."
With that said, the comparison still doesn't work. Â The Elementals have always been about the protection of the land and the protection of the world over all else - which is why they flooded the world in the first place. Â The Ascians have never been about the protection of the world, and have acted with deliberate and explicit malice towards those they have used and destroyed. Â There's no indication of actual malice on the part of the Elementals - they'd just as soon be happy off by themselves without any mortals bugging them. Â They haven't ever been witnessed acting in a proactive manner, either. Â Everything the Elementals have ever done has been in reaction to things done to the land, aetherflow, etc.
I still don't agree with you about the whole "pre-world" thing, since the Ascians have always seemed to be attempting to say that Hydaelyn and the world are separate (whereas the player character is told they're the same thing) and that they came into being before Hydaelyn existed, but that the world existed before Hydaelyn.
With that said, the comparison still doesn't work. Â The Elementals have always been about the protection of the land and the protection of the world over all else - which is why they flooded the world in the first place. Â The Ascians have never been about the protection of the world, and have acted with deliberate and explicit malice towards those they have used and destroyed. Â There's no indication of actual malice on the part of the Elementals - they'd just as soon be happy off by themselves without any mortals bugging them. Â They haven't ever been witnessed acting in a proactive manner, either. Â Everything the Elementals have ever done has been in reaction to things done to the land, aetherflow, etc.
I still don't agree with you about the whole "pre-world" thing, since the Ascians have always seemed to be attempting to say that Hydaelyn and the world are separate (whereas the player character is told they're the same thing) and that they came into being before Hydaelyn existed, but that the world existed before Hydaelyn.