(02-11-2016, 08:13 PM)Melkire Wrote: That there is some sort of distinction seems plain to me, given that last statement from Erik that Sounsyy quoted. "The Fist of Rhalgr is their order". So I'd say yes, probably a militarized organization or something along those lines. You could be trained as a monk but would likely still need to be inducted into said order. I mentioned "war-priests" earlier because I recall reading something from over on the Official Forums that described the Fist as a very religious and militarized order/sect/organization/what-have-you.This is very interesting. It's too bad we don't know more about Ivor. It would probably shed light on a lot of things discussed here, lol.
As a sidenote, found this tidbit for monk/pugilist lovers while poring through relic quest dialogue to find out whether Ivon Coeurlfist was of the Fist.
Gerolt Wrote:Accordin' to the writer, the Sphairai ain't no ordinary weapon.
Apparently, they're tools for tappin' a monk's “chakraâ€â”€whatever the hells that is─throwin' open the floodgates...or summat.
Buggered if I know how it works. But I do know the fists need some crystals embedded in them.
Eh? Chakra's the aether what courses through yer body, ye say?
Interesting confirmation that there are some aetherial / metaphysical / physical aspects to chakra, and that chakra basically describes internal aether and/or associated internalized processes.
To wrap back around onto the original topic: aether-wielding martial artist is a go. The likelihood of an Othardian Fist is rather low, an Othardian monk in the Ala Mhigan sense somewhat more likely, an Othardian pugilist quite possible so long as pugilism isn't a specific style exclusive to the Ul'dahn guild (which it doesn't seem to be, but I can see arguments for it).
EDIT:
Found it. Info dump from Erik, apparently.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threa...-Spoilers)
"It was thought that all versed in the ways of the chakra were lost... But then what of this Widargelt simpleton? Just who is he? Perhaps the end of the Fist was not the end of the monks after all."
I think the introduction to Pugilism says that the style used in the guild was created by a gladiator named Cordelia from Ul'dah, and so while pugilism seems to me to be a generic term, there is a specific local style of pugilism that came out of Bloodsands matches, though I dunno how that interacts with the whole debt collectors for the Platinum Mirage part of their history.
That being said the Garleans have martial artists in their military, so while the game uses PGL as shorthand for their fighting styles, whatever they study, it probably wasn't the same as what's taught in Ul'dah. It seems pretty likely similar traditions of unarmed fighting exist elsewhere in the world.
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