(11-29-2014, 06:32 AM)Faye Wrote: Well... I'd say "all dragoons are bad" is a generalization that's equally as false as saying "everyone thinks dragoons are bad." A lot of people have some reluctance because, to be honest, in my personal experience I've run into a lot of DRG mary sue's and power players. Dragoons are sort of the ultimate, cliched, cool, super strong badass of the FF franchise, so naturally they're most likely to attract those kind of role-players. That being said, I've also only seen a couple IC WHM's about, only a couple more SCH's, and only a couple more MNK's. Most role-players don't exactly give their character an actual job IC, or at the very least don't blatantly advertise it either IC or even OOC.
Dragoon, however, is one of the jobs that's actually more viable to role-play--provided you aren't trying to make your character the Azure Dragoon. Bear in mind, I'm not too familiar with the DRG lore as I've never played one IC or even OOC, but from what I've been told not only do they endure rigorous training but they also follow strict rules about where they can go and when, when and where they can wear their DRG armor, etc. A lot of DRG RPers completely disregard this, so while you say your character "suffered" to become this, a lot of RPers don't really spin it that way when they ignore all the limitations and rules of being a DRG yet still reap all the benefits.
Second problem with a lot of DRG role-players I've seen firsthand is the idea both IC and OOC that jumping on things is the best way to kill them. I'm not talking giant dragons, I'm talking smaller and speedier targets like other people... There's a reason that IRL few martial arts and combat styles involve jumping out of the air at people... it leaves you vulnerable and there's really no benefit to outweigh that. There was an IC DRG once who joined my FC for all of an hour until he was told IC that jumping was a silly tactic when fighting other people began to yell at us OOC about that remark that had been made in RP, promptly quit the FC and apparently to this day goes around telling everyone not to RP with us lol. If you want to have your character jump around a lot, and even if you want him to be presumed to be good at it and be a competent fighter, that's fine--but you need to be able to handle criticism on the matter, as many people may not find jumping 20 feet in the air to be a useful or believable fighting tactic.
I will say that I have nothing against people who RP dragoons, and that it's dumb to classify an entire group of people based on the actions of a few bad eggs they likely wouldn't even want associated with them. However, for those who are prone to stereotype and judge a group by the worst half of it, there are plenty of questionable dragoons running around for them to base their negative opinions on.
But! Maybe I just haven't noticed, but I haven't seen any rampant hatred of dragoon RPers. Or rather, I haven't seen any more hatred for dragoons than I've seen for all the Nunhs and Sultansworn and Garleans and whatnot. So unless it's all just eluded me, I feel like generalizing the mass public as dragoon haters is no better than generalizing dragoons as special snowflakes.
This is /thread, imo. Pretty much everything I could think of is covered here. The bad examples of dragoon players want to be all like "yeah I'm Kain!" And will make their character a dragoon at any cost. Miqo'te dragoons that sit around in Ul'dah all day...a Miqo'te dragoon is pretty much identical to seeing a white dude as a fully fledged Japanese samurai. Not impossible but weird.
As such, the dragoon roleplayers I like the most are those who actually looked at the freaking game world and lore, and noticed "Oh hey, Ishgard is composed of Midlanders and Elezen", and play those races. Lots of cool Elezen Dragoon characters.Â
Still though, zzz at the franchise mythology about dragoons. Pogo sticks!