Hydaelyn Role-Players

Didn't see a thread for this, so if there is one, apologies:

Here is a translation of a Lore Panel done on Ishgard at the Nico Nico Super Conference.

there isn't much lore there, but thats what it was called, and its an interesting read, nonetheless.

Quote:Although it wasn't implemented as a class, we created kind of a "dueling court" based on the duelist class. We're taking advantage of the Heavensward setting to bring in some elements like those which never saw the light of day. (Oda)

I wonder if this dueling thing means we'll have 1v1 PvP, even if it's just in this arena area instead of as a freely usable command.

Quote:Are you thinking you'll have more beastly type races in the future?

Yoshida: I'd like to see how popular different styles of Au Ra become and based on that I'll think about whether we should go in a beast-shaped kind of direction or a more natural one.

I guess the people complaining about Au Ra have something to look forward to.

Quote:The Au Ra group is made with the image of the devil. Their designs are inspired by demons, not dragons. Because of this, even though they have a similar appearance to dragons, they won't be especially persecuted by city residents.

Surprising...I would have though that it doesn't matter if they are more demonic, people's ignorance and prejudices don't favour the truth of something. But I imagine SE don't want players to feel disheartened by playing characters who are shunned by the NPCs you are the hero of.

(05-06-2015, 02:59 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The Au Ra group is made with the image of the devil. Their designs are inspired by demons, not dragons. Because of this, even though they have a similar appearance to dragons, they won't be especially persecuted by city residents.

Surprising...I would have though that it doesn't matter if they are more demonic, people's ignorance and prejudices don't favour the truth of something. But I imagine SE don't want players to feel disheartened by playing characters who are shunned by the NPCs you are the hero of.

I imagine there's going to be a lot of player characters who will distrust them for all sorts of different reasons. Ishgardians aren't known for their tolerance at the best of times - but it does seem like they're very slowly becoming more and more welcoming towards outsiders.

As for everything else? The article doesn't reveal a whole lot that wasn't available already but I'm quite pleased that we haven't got a 'WoW' situation where every last little detail about a content patch/expansion is revealed to players in advance.

I look forward to exploring everything when the expansion goes live.

The 'genetic engineering/experimentation' thing piques my interest. I'm guessing it has something to do with the Garlean Empire (since it feels like the sort of thing they'd be into) but I may be mistaken. If it is, however, it may allow me to shed some darker light on Graeham's mixed heritage if it turns out to be something they've been doing for some time elsewhere.

I imagine a lot of that commentary is because the players were like AHHH DRAGON/DRACONIC PEOPLE AHHH!!!

(05-06-2015, 03:43 AM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2015, 02:59 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The Au Ra group is made with the image of the devil. Their designs are inspired by demons, not dragons. Because of this, even though they have a similar appearance to dragons, they won't be especially persecuted by city residents.

Surprising...I would have though that it doesn't matter if they are more demonic, people's ignorance and prejudices don't favour the truth of something. But I imagine SE don't want players to feel disheartened by playing characters who are shunned by the NPCs you are the hero of.

I imagine there's going to be a lot of player characters who will distrust them for all sorts of different reasons. Ishgardians aren't known for their tolerance at the best of times - but it does seem like they're very slowly becoming more and more welcoming towards outsiders.

As for everything else? The article doesn't reveal a whole lot that wasn't available already but I'm quite pleased that we haven't got a 'WoW' situation where every last little detail about a content patch/expansion is revealed to players in advance.

I look forward to exploring everything when the expansion goes live.

The 'genetic engineering/experimentation' thing piques my interest. I'm guessing it has something to do with the Garlean Empire (since it feels like the sort of thing they'd be into) but I may be mistaken. If it is, however, it may allow me to shed some darker light on Graeham's mixed heritage if it turns out to be something they've been doing for some time elsewhere.

It pleases me to see that people outside of my circle of friends take an interest in stuff like this. Since I have little interaction with Garlean RPers atm, I feel as though I won't be encountering a lot of themes like this unless I actively seek it out.

This theme, was one of my original attractions to Wildstar, but that didn't quite pan out for myself as I don't play that particular title anymore for a number of reasons. Still a fine game though- and that's unrelated. Sorry.

On the subject of Au Ra, I am hopeful that mixed reactions will come up and not be met with overwhelmingly positive or negative stuff without some time spent interacting. At least for my character. I'd like to start on a grey area with everyone and let his actions determine his standing. It makes it much more fun for me.

Death Knights in WoW tended to have a very onesided style of RP, which worked in that game because of predetermined lore reasons. I was okay with them there, (Even the questlines to make one were very clear about what you are and how people are supposed to feel about you) it just makes me hopeful that it's slightly more open ended here when it comes to Au Ra. Weird comparison I guess, but a passing thought.

Quote:In many areas there are ruins of the ancient cities of Sharlayan.

Since the people of Sharlayan were focused on wisdom and philosophy, the naming conventions were made with Greek archetypes in mind. (Koji Fox)

The architecture was also designed with Greek styles in mind. The dragons have not come to the areas where the people of Sharlayan once lived. (Oda)

Okay, I don't have the info in front of me, but I thought that the Sharlayan colony on the Aldenard mainland was more recently abandoned (within the last few years, a couple of decades at the most), but the above quote makes it look like the Eorzean Sharlayan is ancient history.

Anyone able to clarify?

(05-06-2015, 03:43 AM)Graeham Ridgefield Wrote: [ -> ]The 'genetic engineering/experimentation' thing piques my interest. I'm guessing it has something to do with the Garlean Empire (since it feels like the sort of thing they'd be into) but I may be mistaken. If it is, however, it may allow me to shed some darker light on Graeham's mixed heritage if it turns out to be something they've been doing for some time elsewhere.

Feels more like an Allagan empire thing than a Garlean thing - Not that they wouldn't do it, but rather that they're still very, very far behind the Allagan Empire in terms of that, and we know that the Allagan empire certainly did that with cloning experiments and things like Phlegeton/Amon/Xande.

Also, the ??? area is SCREAMING FF6 inspired Floating Continent.

(05-07-2015, 08:15 PM)Goodfellow Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:In many areas there are ruins of the ancient cities of Sharlayan.

Since the people of Sharlayan were focused on wisdom and philosophy, the naming conventions were made with Greek archetypes in mind. (Koji Fox)

The architecture was also designed with Greek styles in mind. The dragons have not come to the areas where the people of Sharlayan once lived. (Oda)

Okay, I don't have the info in front of me, but I thought that the Sharlayan colony on the Aldenard mainland was more recently abandoned (within the last few years, a couple of decades at the most), but the above quote makes it look like the Eorzean Sharlayan is ancient history.

Anyone able to clarify?

I wouldn't overthink the translation. Sharlayan colony is named the same as their home city-state.

; ; Shepherd Class? I want that...!!

Play Ultima IV then

(05-06-2015, 02:59 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The Au Ra group is made with the image of the devil. Their designs are inspired by demons, not dragons. Because of this, even though they have a similar appearance to dragons, they won't be especially persecuted by city residents.

Surprising...I would have though that it doesn't matter if they are more demonic, people's ignorance and prejudices don't favour the truth of something. But I imagine SE don't want players to feel disheartened by playing characters who are shunned by the NPCs you are the hero of.

This is not fun at all, and it makes no sense anyway. Yugiri covered her face because Eorzeans don't know what an Au Ra is. I doubt Ishgard, always isolated Ishgard, knows better. If doesn't matter what Au Ra's real nature is; no one can figure that out at first sight, especially when the very explanation about their lore states how easy it is to mistake them as dragons.

Just like I don't follow the whole "I'm the hero, watch me shine" part of the lore, I don't want to lose the chance to get interesting conflicts with Au Ras. Not doing so feels weird, forced, and sugar coated anyway.

(05-08-2015, 08:27 AM)Clover Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2015, 02:59 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The Au Ra group is made with the image of the devil. Their designs are inspired by demons, not dragons. Because of this, even though they have a similar appearance to dragons, they won't be especially persecuted by city residents.

Surprising...I would have though that it doesn't matter if they are more demonic, people's ignorance and prejudices don't favour the truth of something. But I imagine SE don't want players to feel disheartened by playing characters who are shunned by the NPCs you are the hero of.

This is not fun at all, and it makes no sense anyway. Yugiri covered her face because Eorzeans don't know what an Au Ra is. I doubt Ishgard, always isolated Ishgard, knows better. If doesn't matter what Au Ra's real nature is; no one can figure that out at first sight, especially when the very explanation about their lore states how easy it is to mistake them as dragons.

Just like I don't follow the whole "I'm the hero, watch me shine" part of the lore, I don't want to lose the chance to get interesting conflicts with Au Ras. Not doing so feels weird, forced, and sugar coated anyway.

So are we just disregarding this because we don't like it? It's lore...I am sure there are plenty of rp'ers who would gladly disregard lore because it isn't fun, but to simply ignore it....doesn't feel right either? I'm just saying my thought is all. I don't have an Au Ra and don't have much horse in the game at all with them. Just saw the comment and wanted to offer my thought.

Quote:I wouldn't overthink the translation. Sharlayan colony is named the same as their home city-state.

Right.  That's true and possibly confuses my question somewhat, but I'm not asking anything about the island nation of Sharlayan, just the timing of their defunct Eorzean colony.

(05-08-2015, 08:34 AM)Melodia Wrote: [ -> ]So are we just disregarding this because we don't like it? It's lore...I am sure there are plenty of rp'ers who would gladly disregard lore because it isn't fun, but to simply ignore it....doesn't feel right either? I'm just saying my thought is all. I don't have an Au Ra and don't have much horse in the game at all with them. Just saw the comment and wanted to offer my thought.

But it doesn't sound like lore, that's the problem. Their explanation to the sudden friendliness towards Au Ras is that they "designed them based on demons, not dragons; because of this, they won't be persecuted". What kind of lore breaking explanation is that? So if I played an Ishgard character and someone asks me why I'm not against Au Ras, all I can say is "see, but their designers have told me that they're unrelated to dragons"?

This becomes even more bizarre when the Au Ra designs themselves have the words "race_dragon" attached to them, or are displayed together with real dragons.





In any case, my problem is that there's a lack of real IC reason for Eorzeans to not relate Au Ras to dragons. Considering that Ishgard is very closed-minded and unfriendly, it becomes extra odd. It feels like they simply want players to feel that their character is the most respected/loved, so they will force their way out of any possible conflict with said character. It's not only strange, but it's also not fun at all in my opinion.

I am not going to do anything with the community, but neither I'm going to miss the chance of enjoying some serious conflict in my private RP with friends. That'd be a huge waste.