(06-25-2015, 03:34 AM)Caspar Wrote: [ -> ](What they said)
Thank you for this bit, and to all of those saying things about the dead nation stuff and what-have-you, it's not about having some form of feigned greatness or higher station than what other Domans may or may not have. The root of it all is to have some form of history and character background that could be used later on for development of story and the like.
Would it come up in regular RP? No, probably not, but it would be something that's nice to have as basically an added spice to the character, especially should more information arise or even for certain uses. It could also be used for personality reasonings though I don't plan for my Raen to be very stuck up anyway, but perhaps just have that sort of air about it.
(06-24-2015, 10:34 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing this thread reminds me that Foxglove's childhood fantasy was to fall in love with a Doman princess. Even gives me hope that maybe one day it'll actually come true for her, heh.
Y'know... I am on Balmung ^.~
@Ronin Below:
That's cool! (Realizing after reading that I didn't even do certain things, whoopsie! xD) Can you give me some sources and such so I can look further into it?
Bit of spoiler, but, helpful.
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SpoilerTo further seat the notion that there's Doman nobility still present in some sort of place in Othard, during the NIN questline in Heavensward you help Doman nobility. She's an Au Ra princess that obtains your help with a certain thing.
Do remember that Doma is indeed razed, but, we don't know about the rest of Othard and how much has been fully conquered. There could be pockets of cities, nobles residing in said cities, villages, etc. It's fairly vague and I wouldn't put a ton of specifics into the idea. Leave it open, but seated in some sort of plausibility until we either get lore or, perhaps, just a reasoning why your character would be present in Eorzea.
For someone who wants to play a Raen from the nobility, this is a very interesting thread! My idea of her being a noble would simply be reflected in her lady-like manners, really. Unless it's private RP, I wouldn't mention much from it because, like everyone else, I have no idea of how Doma works.
I haven't done the ninja quest, so thank you for the information! It's interesting to know that there are still nobles in Othard who didn't need to flee due to their homes/society being destroyed. That gives us room to create other kind of stories, and the one I had in mind didn't really have my character as a refugee.
(06-25-2015, 06:38 AM)Ashana Wrote: [ -> ] (06-25-2015, 03:34 AM)Caspar Wrote: [ -> ](What they said)
Thank you for this bit, and to all of those saying things about the dead nation stuff and what-have-you, it's not about having some form of feigned greatness or higher station than what other Domans may or may not have. The root of it all is to have some form of history and character background that could be used later on for development of story and the like.
Would it come up in regular RP? No, probably not, but it would be something that's nice to have as basically an added spice to the character, especially should more information arise or even for certain uses. It could also be used for personality reasonings though I don't plan for my Raen to be very stuck up anyway, but perhaps just have that sort of air about it.
(06-24-2015, 10:34 PM)hauntmedoitagain Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing this thread reminds me that Foxglove's childhood fantasy was to fall in love with a Doman princess. Even gives me hope that maybe one day it'll actually come true for her, heh.
Y'know... I am on Balmung ^.~
@Ronin Below:
That's cool! (Realizing after reading that I didn't even do certain things, whoopsie! xD) Can you give me some sources and such so I can look further into it?
There is almost nothing, other than basic lore from the Au Ra conventions and their information, about the rest of Othard. Tidbits here and there from items as well, if you care to read them.
Further on the NIN quest:
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SpoilerThe reason said princess is recruiting help is due to family treasures being stolen that she wants back. Said treasures are going to be sold to raise funds to make their land "not trash" essentially. Thus, this implies that there is still nobility present within some reaches of Othard. But, it also alludes to the fact even though she's a princess, they're not incredibly well off - thus needing to raise said funds. That could be due to Garlean occupancy or something we don't even know of. She's attempting to rebuild her land via profit from said treasures. It's very possible that the Garleans wrecked it during their invasion.
Also, it's interesting to note that her noble house, or shinobi group (which is unlikely due to them referring to all shinobi as traitors), is referred to as a clan. Much akin to older Japanese history. They've also retainers for their duties and whatnot.
Little fun fact, there's a Garlean-trained ninja within the questline. Very keen on willing to prove he's better than your buddy Oboro.
Edit: I've gone ahead and screenshotted and uploaded all the 50-60 journal entries for the NIN quest, in case you wish to read them yourself. (Yes there are only two, beginning and end.)
Thanks for more on the quest Ronin, makes a lot of sense and some of what was said i kind of figured, mostly with nomenclature of nobility. It could also help with placing a more definitive era of cultural inspiration for Doma too.
Yea there's actually some real fun ways to play Doman nobility, it's just important to keep context in mind while doing it. If you don't mind basically being a noble in exile there's some really neat options for you that are fairly unique compared to the noble backgrounds that involve homes that...still exist...
(06-25-2015, 08:16 AM)Ronin Wrote: [ -> ]Edit: I've gone ahead and screenshotted and uploaded all the 50-60 journal entries for the NIN quest, in case you wish to read them yourself. (Yes there are only two, beginning and end.)
Oh, thank you very much! If possible, I have a small request.
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spoilerCould I see a screenshot of the princess if it were possible? I merely want to look at her outfit. I imagined that my Raen would wear long dresses, so I wonder if a real Raen from the nobility would be that way as well.
I'm glad someone else mentioned the possibility that merchants might be looked down on as they were in real world pre-modern Japan. It's not something I'm comfortable about overtly stating, but it's interesting to consider.
I'm writing my Raen's family to be a relatively recent addition to the ruling class. It's kind of a "not that important to RP" detail, but the family name wasn't changed that much when they transitioned, it went from two characters that meant roughly "evergreen tender" to only one that means roughly "destroy the enemy". It's a bit of a stretch to use that as a family name in real world Japanese, but I've realized looking at the name generator that some of the Raen generated names aren't quite correct either, so there's some wiggle room if you're careful.
Anyway, Kurenai's father views their humble background with contempt. Whether it makes more sense in lore for that to come from societal pressure or personal feelings is irrelevant. The result is that he shielded Kurenai from anything remotely "beneath" her. This provides a window to RP her as both extremely capable in some areas and totally naive in others. She has some martial training and knows a thing or two about the finer things, but if you ask her about how the average Doman lives she couldn't give you a straight answer.
This way I don't really need an answer for a lot of of the gaps in lore. Kurenai being a teenager who was extremely sheltered, too young to engage in politics, and too apart from most common people, she simply doesn't know.
Obviously, you don't need a very specific background to avoid needing answers to our lore gap questions. Your Raen could simply be too emotionally scarred to even talk about his or her homeland for example. I'm sure other ways to get around the issue could be concocted given enough thought.
(06-25-2015, 09:49 AM)Clover Wrote: [ -> ] (06-25-2015, 08:16 AM)Ronin Wrote: [ -> ]Edit: I've gone ahead and screenshotted and uploaded all the 50-60 journal entries for the NIN quest, in case you wish to read them yourself. (Yes there are only two, beginning and end.)
Oh, thank you very much! If possible, I have a small request.
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spoilerCould I see a screenshot of the princess if it were possible? I merely want to look at her outfit. I imagined that my Raen would wear long dresses, so I wonder if a real Raen from the nobility would be that way as well.
Taken from a friend, due to myself not having completed the NIN storyline (quality is kinda poop):
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SpoilerFuma set plus a few Saurian bonuses and the shorts. Doubtful it's something she'd wear in her own homeland, very combative.
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I've been doing some research into this very topic for my Au Ra. I was very intrigued by this princes in the NIN 50+ story. I found it rather interesting, but I found a conflict and was hoping maybe some folks here could shed some light on it.
The princess says she's from a clan. The whole NIN story is about her and her clan, even including her vassals. She talks about her domain (land) and the small folk that live in them. The NIN leader, a Doman shinobi, Oboro, even recognizes her clan name.Â
Now here's the conflicting part... She's Raen, as is her guard/retainer. Yet, we have this bit of text from the naming post:
Quote:Just as is the case with most of the other races, the Raen also have surnames (family names). Unlike their Auri ancestors who employed clan names as surnames, the now-clanless Raen have adopted a more complex practice. Families of the warrior class (and generally the ruling class) are the only people “allowed†surnames in Doma, and they will often take surnames that displayed their battle prowess or position within an army.
How can she be the princess of a clan if the Raen are now clanless?Â
(07-11-2015, 10:56 PM)Averis Wrote: [ -> ]I've been doing some research into this very topic for my Au Ra. I was very intrigued by this princes in the NIN 50+ story. I found it rather interesting, but I found a conflict and was hoping maybe some folks here could shed some light on it.
The princess says she's from a clan. The whole NIN story is about her and her clan, even including her vassals. She talks about her domain (land) and the small folk that live in them. The NIN leader, a Doman shinobi, Oboro, even recognizes her clan name.Â
Now here's the conflicting part... She's Raen, as is her guard/retainer. Yet, we have this bit of text from the naming post:
Quote:Just as is the case with most of the other races, the Raen also have surnames (family names). Unlike their Auri ancestors who employed clan names as surnames, the now-clanless Raen have adopted a more complex practice. Families of the warrior class (and generally the ruling class) are the only people “allowed†surnames in Doma, and they will often take surnames that displayed their battle prowess or position within an army.
How can she be the princess of a clan if the Raen are now clanless?Â
Someone will be able to explain this better than me. However, nobility works very different in Japan. Princess is just our equivalent in English / structure. I still think they should have used something more akin to Lady, Baroness, etc, but it's a different system, different word. Plus, they sort of used up lady for Yugiri (though we don't know much about her history).
Clan, in this sense, I think is just being used as an opt-out for "House."
Sorry to necro an old thread, but I wondered if there is any new information on this with Stormblood been out for a while.
Any surviving Doman nobility would have been vassals and retainers to Lord Kaien and Hien, and would've been scattered by the Empire. Now that Hien is back and rebuilding a freshly liberated Doma, they may start coming back too.
So far we've seen lupin, hyur, roegadyn and au ra swear fealty to Hien. You'd probably want to read up on the Sengoku period to the Edo period in Japan to get an idea of how nobility worked in a shogunate.
Just dont act like an ishgardian noble. Please!
The culture is VERY different. Look it up.