So, with the character arc of Edgar being trained in the way of screaming while swinging axes in mind, I'd like to catch up on everything Lohengarde. The culture, the history of the Warrior art, etc.
...Hold on let me get this Sounsy signal up.
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This aint Catman. To summon Sounsy you need crystals and prayers.
Or lalafell to sacrifice.
Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "
Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory?
Being the Shoshopu to Arkamas's Fyrilsunn I have a pretty vested interest in warriors, but unfortunately my knowledge is mostly about how the Inner Beast
works, and not necessarily the historical lore.
Way back in yon newbie days I made
a thread asking about the IC viability of legitimate Warrior artifact armor, which Sounsyy graced with her presence not once, but
twice! It's mostly in regards to, yes, the armor, but it's something to tide us over until she arrives.
(10-31-2014, 06:28 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: [ -> ]So, yes entirely possible to have a set of authentic Warrior Artifact armor.
The set that Curious George wears is actually (he admits it himself in one of the quests) a replica and holds no magic. The magic of the armor focuses the Warrior wearing it and enhances their abilities. But only a true Warrior can wear the armor and conquer the Inner Beast without the Beast taking over and enthralling him/her.
One hundred years ago, during the Autumn War, there were many many Warriors roaming around  Eorzea. Afterwards, during the relative peace time that settled, there was little need of "Warriors" so what few were left returned to their native homelands of Abalathia's Spine. The set the Player Character obtains in the Warrior storyline is likely one of many lost to the decades. (Probably more common to find the further north you travel.) How you choose to find the set is up to you, but just know lore-wise it is possible.
Hope this helps! ^^
(10-31-2014, 10:22 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: [ -> ]I could see insisting on a replica if the Warrior Artifact Armor was unique... but it isn't. So I don't see what the problem is with Shoshopu's friend RPing as having a real set.
Warriors were commonplace only 100 years ago. In the grand scheme of things, it's not that long ago. And they actually do still exist today, just in Abalathia's Spine, which is on the other side of the Sea of Clouds above Ishgard. Becoming an IC Warrior as well as having authentic magicked Warrior Artifacts is one the easiest of the jobs to handwave away ICly.
Also, the Bravura is NOT a unique weapon, so another thing to easily have ICly.
Just because it's a job, doesn't mean it's taboo (unless lore states it is: BLM and WHM only technically). It just means it's old and not commonplace anymore.
Some of Foxberry's links there were the basis of how I wrote Lekka.
I use "Lohengarde" as the way she knows her own kin; though depending on who she talks to she may use hellsguard as well, or simply roegadyn. Adapting to who you're talking to seems pretty common in all cultures; so why not!
((Also it seems fairly common for hellsguard roleplayers to know that lohengarde is a name for them; and adopted by many))
I think during the warrior quest it is mentioned that one set of warrior armour was scattered to four or five? warrior apprentices; And they themselves went on to carry out great deeds with a single warrior artifact.
Wearing all five pieces was bound to make the weaker warrior mad with the inner beast; but just the one was manageable and made them powerful enough to make a name for themselves.
What I always did find interesting in the little tidbits of Lore we have for Hellsguard is the odd bits and pieces that mention the Hellsguard live in and around volcanic regions and regard them as some form of gate to the underworld that they guard.
I guess mostly because this has some clear similarities to Nald'Thal without ever mentioning the god by name. Personally I've spun this as being a sort of local superstition/myth; not for Lekka's clan directly connected to Nald'Thal but perhaps of similar origin.
(10-16-2015, 03:35 AM)Foxberry Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory?
As for this; pretty sure it's not really been retconned. From my knowledge; just the old Roegadyn tongue for Hellsguard.
Well, the thing about that is the Roegadyn word for "Hell" is "Hyll" and "guard" is "waht". "Lohen" and "garde" aren't words in the Roegadyn dictionary that we know of.
(10-16-2015, 08:20 PM)Shoshopu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2015, 03:35 AM)Foxberry Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory?
As for this; pretty sure it's not really been retconned. From my knowledge; just the old Roegadyn tongue for Hellsguard.
Well, the thing about that is the Roegadyn word for "Hell" is "Hyll" and "guard" is "waht". "Lohen" and "garde" aren't words in the Roegadyn dictionary that we know of.
What if they're synonymous?
(10-16-2015, 08:37 PM)Edgar Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2015, 08:20 PM)Shoshopu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2015, 03:35 AM)Foxberry Wrote: [ -> ] (10-16-2015, 12:34 AM)Shoshopu Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I haven't heard Hellsguard called "Lohengarde" since, like... 1.0 promotional material. I think it was just quietly retconned or forgotten or something. It's a question I've been asking ever since I came back last August- why aren't they called Lohengarde anymore? I thought they were Lohengarde? Does nobody call them that anymore? Did my brain make up this memory?
As for this; pretty sure it's not really been retconned. From my knowledge; just the old Roegadyn tongue for Hellsguard.
Well, the thing about that is the Roegadyn word for "Hell" is "Hyll" and "guard" is "waht". "Lohen" and "garde" aren't words in the Roegadyn dictionary that we know of.
What if they're synonymous?
It also might not be a literal translation either. And honestly we won't likely know it because I highly doubt the devs will address it.
(10-16-2015, 12:20 AM)Edgar Wrote: [ -> ]...Hold on let me get this Sounsy signal up.
There we go.
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Hellsguard/Lohengarde Lore
For those not in the know - "Lohengarde" is just another name for the Hellsguard Roegadyn. Nothing special.
I continue to rep my
Race Lore Compilation, which I've been using to gather lore on the races. I'll link what I have on Roegadyn below:
(07-02-2015, 04:57 PM)Sounsyy Wrote: [ -> ]Roegadyn Naming Conventions
Roegadyn Dictionary
Lodestone Wrote:The Roegadyn are easily identified by their massive, muscular frames. They are descended from a maritime people that roamed the northern seas, though many of their ancestors turned their longships south to brave the crossing into Eorzean waters. Often considered a barbaric race, the fiercely competitive Roegadyn are also known for their compassion and unswerving loyalty. Many of the greatest warriors in history were born of Roegadyn stock.
1.0 Character Creation Wrote:Known for their brawny builds and piercing eyes, the Roegadyn are the largest and most rugged of Eorzean races. The majority of the realm's Roegadyn belong to the Sea Wolf clan, a maritime people who earn their keep on or by the sea, be it as sailors, fishermen, or pirates. Comparatively fewer in number are the Hellsguard, who are known for their earnest demeanors, and can often be found working as bodyguards and smithies.
Hellsguard
Lodestone Wrote:The Hellsguard are a small clan of Roegadyn that have carved out a home in the north of Abalathia's Spine. It is clan tradition to enter the mercenary trade; thus the Hellsguard took to giving themselves easily remembered names made up of words in the common tongue. They are a common sight on the streets of Ul'dah, earning a living as sellswords or bodyguards.
1.0 Character Creation Wrote:The Hellsguard are a Roegadyn clan with body and mind tempered by the unforgiving heat of the volcanic regions they inhabit. Believing these mountains of flame to be gates to the underworld, their line has for centuries stood vigil to prevent the passage of souls back to the realm of the living.
As the harsh environs of their homelands produce little sustenance, the second- and third-born are often sent forth from their mountain villages, with many and more making their way to the great cities. It is there that their sheer girth and steely demeanors place them in high demand as soldiers and sellswords, allowing the young of even the largest families to surpass their eldest siblings in prosperity.
Vavaki Wrote:There is no mistaking the Hellsguard among the Roegadyn. Their skin is as fiery red as their name implies. They hail from the northern mountains of Abalathia's Spine, where generations among the volcanoes have endowed them with rugged bodies and steely resilience.
Here in Ul'dah, they can oft be seen working as mercenaries and sellswords, or armorers and blacksmiths for those with no taste for violence. I suppose the forges remind them of home... The greatest hindrance in studying the Hellsguard is that they have no patience for Phrontistery members. They regard the alchemical trade as dark and sacrilegious sorcery that spurns the Twelve. I must find a way to study them closer. If only I could somehow procure eight live specimens... <sigh>
Warrior Lore
Warriors were commonplace across Eorzea during the time of the Autumn War, but as conflicts across Eorzea ceased and the city-states signed treaties for peace, the Warrior mercenaries fell into disuse and legend. Few are versed in the arts in this day and age.
Lodestone 1.0 Wrote:Hidden deep amidst the mountains in the northern reaches of Abalathia’s Spine there once lay a village of stark warriors, among whom lived a line of blacksmiths bound by family and forge. It is said they used molten rock given forth from the bosom of Hydaelyn to heat iron fallen from the heavens, with which they forged axes bearing a tensility and edge unlike any other. This proud line of warrior smiths has long since died out, however, and with them all knowledge of how the great axe Bravura was made.
Gerolt Wrote:Fancy yerself a dauntless warrior, like they had in the olden days, eh? So the rumors're true, then─the Company of Heroes did have one in their ranks... Bloody hells. I'll tell you what, though─we weaponsmiths like a good axe, and them warriors' axes were better than good. Ain't no weapon more fearsome to look at, I reckon. An' of all the kinds out there, there's none I'd take over Bravura. Aye, from the intimidatin' form to the destructive power, 'tis everythin' a warrior could ever want. There's jus' one snag: the only blacksmith clan what knew how to forge Bravura died out years ago. The last of 'em didn't quite get 'round to trainin' a successor, see, an' the hapless sod took the techniques to his grave. Might be some warriors out there bear the axe still, but if I was them, I wouldn't willin'ly part with such a prized possession. Nay, not for all the mead in Eorzea...or would I? Anyroad, if yer to have any hope of gettin' a Bravura to call yer own, it'd be through the kobolds. The creatures're renowned for their skill at the forge, an' it jus' so happens they also have a penchant for scourin' ancient ruins an' mines for artifacts, precious ores, an' the like. To find what we need, ye might try venturin' into U'Ghamaro Mines. Mayhap the kobolds have a Bravura stowed away in a repository or summat.
But what's done is done...or in this case, not done. Anyroad, let's talk about that text ye brought. It follows the life of Iron Eater, the legendary sellsword...or maybe sellaxe, who lived five centuries ago. The man was the ultimate warrior, if the account's to be believed. With the amount of coin Iron Eater demanded for his services, they say ye could hire a whole bleedin' army. ...That, or keep me in mead for a fortnight! Hra hra hra! A-Ahem! Anyroad, I managed to find mention of Bravura in amongst all the maimin' an' killin'. Like any warrior worth his salt, Iron Eater wielded a Bravura...but there was a tellin' difference: his axe head was forged to weigh double the usual. Not a weapon for the faint of heart, I tell ye. Needless to say, the thing was a bugger to wield. But gods, if ye had the brute strength to swing it... Hoo hoo! Ye could make a proper mess o' someone!
Beatin Wrote:Fascinating weapons, halberds. Did you know they were a Hellsguard invention? Their marauders first used them to repel mounted units. A skilled wielder could easily pull a rider from his saddle.
Broken Mountain Wrote:I have poured over countless tomes in search of knowledge to tame the beast within, as you did, but my efforts thus far have proven fruitless. All I have found are ridiculous tales of techniques that - if the author could be believed - would make Rhalgr Himself cower in fear. There are descriptions of the techniques used by hero Mythril Heart, but the details are difficult to swallow. No warrior - alive or dead - can rip off a behemoth's arm with his bare hands. The tales are filled with similar outrageous accounts, Brother. It would be a waste of time to investigate their veracity when we know so little of how to tame the inner beast. Besides, you know as well as I that Mythril Heart is naught more than a faerie-tale hero.
Duty and the Beast Wrote:Merely recalling your duel with Curious Gorge causes your inner beast to stir─a revelation which leads Broken Mountain to remember a passage he came across in his research: “Only the flames of animosity may temper a warrior's soul.†He interprets this to mean that the inner beast stirs when a warrior faces an opponent who pushes him to surpass his physical and mental limits, and that only in that moment can he attain mastery of new techniques. Believing this to be the means by which the heroes of eld achieved their legendary feats, he implores you to challenge yourself as they did.
How to Train Your Warrior Wrote:Broken Mountain's theory is that the inner beast is roused in the heat of battle, and tamed when a warrior resolves to protect the lives of his allies. If he is correct, then his brother will no longer have to fear losing control, so long as he fights to protect those he holds dear. However, if Curious Gorge does lose control again, someone must have the strength to bring him back from the brink of bloodlust.
Eynzahr Wrote:Speaking of which, with the Sahagin threat dealt with, the Maelstrom can proceed with its plan to train its troops in the way of the warriors. And who better to train them than the two siblings who brought their teachings to Eorzea in the first place?
Hope this helps! ^^ Lemme know if there's more specific things you wanted to know!
Sorry for the double post; but-
I also found this site which was interesting for the 1.0 Roe.
http://feature.mmosite.com/ffxiv/race_roegaydn.shtml
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/ima...eawolf.jpg
Now I don't know how accurate it is, and I'm not sure if it was just the German pronunication of Seawolf as 'Seewolf' or if it was back at 1.0 written that way as well. I played 1.0 for a bit but I really don't remember a lot of it.
But if it -is- correct I would have to lean toward Edgar's deduction Lohengarde is likely just a synonym.
Sounsyy can probably clear this portion up.
Edit: Oops an elusive Sounsyy posted before I did o3o
They're big.
They're from the Spine.
They get mad then break spines.
Also, earlier when this discussion popped up we mention the possible lack of need for replicas of the artifact armor, but I can think of one issue where you would need it.
You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea.
(10-18-2015, 09:34 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea.
Yes, but five or six Lalafell in a Roes armor would be amazing, coming together like Voltron to form a whole warrior.
(10-18-2015, 09:34 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: [ -> ]They're big.
They're from the Spine.
They get mad then break spines.
Also, earlier when this discussion popped up we mention the possible lack of need for replicas of the artifact armor, but I can think of one issue where you would need it.
You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea.
My response to that would be, perhaps the art of
crafting the armor is not lost.
In fact, I think that would benefit the RP a lot more, because along with the added dose of realism, you also create an arc where you must seek out a Hellsguard smith with the knowledge and tools to craft Warrior armor the old fashioned way. There's a lot of potential in that. Cultural understandings and big epic quests.
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SpoilerAlso, in the 50-60 PLD quests, our Elezen newcomer finds what he explicitly states are Solkzagyl's sollerets, wears them, and then goes on to say he resized them, with no description on how he actually did something like that.
The fact that this is PLD and not WAR questline notwithstanding, my point is, the questline has taken this size issue thing with a grain of salt, and although it's a pretty bad act of lampshading, they at least tried to lampshade it. If the MSQ is willing to use that excuse, I think we can pardon any rper who uses it, also.
(10-18-2015, 11:47 AM)TheLastCandle Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but five or six Lalafell in a Roes armor would be amazing, coming together like Voltron to form a whole warrior.
"An' I'll form tha head!"
"No, I wanna be tha head!"
"STAHP SHOVIN'."
*Fight ensues*
(10-18-2015, 09:34 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: [ -> ]You aren't a Roegadyn. When you think about it, putting a Lala in a Roe's armor is kind of a bad idea.
"Pfftt tch! Fits perfect!" /stumbles
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