I really want to be a White Mage, but apparently the lore staits only Pajald can be and they are then isolated for using such magic. But you can become a white mage in game as what you are and that...
So do I really have to give up becoming one and switch my characters class/job activities so I can RP with her??
Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks!
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(12-10-2015, 04:29 PM)missmizzy4 Wrote: [ -> ]I really want to be a White Mage, but apparently the lore staits only Pajald can be and they are then isolated for using such magic. But you can become a white mage in game as what you are and that...
So do I really have to give up becoming one and switch my characters class/job activities so I can RP with her??
Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks! Â
Not really! There is some wiggle room.
In my opinion go with what makes you happy.
If you're interested I can name a few of the wiggle theories.
You can roleplay as whatever you want! Just know that some players will be more accepting of your character than others if you choose to make them a WHM.
You can roleplay as you want, however if you want to stay strictly to lore I fear you're out of luck!
(12-10-2015, 04:32 PM)Calada Wrote: [ -> ]You can roleplay as whatever you want! Just know that some players will be more accepting of your character than others if you choose to make them a WHM.
I find it less that and more a question of power.
A lot of RP involves problems or danger. A very powerful character like a white mage ends up being inappropriate for some types of RP. However for other types it's perfect. Can't please everyone.
You could RP the White Mage archetype without actually accepting the title. That seems to work for some folks.
You'll find in any RP setting there's a segment of the population that attempt to be total lore purists, and a segment that are okay with varying degrees of separation from lore if it seems fun and reasonable and isn't hurting anybody.
The former declare, "My immersion! You're ruining my immersion! Rabble rabble rabble!"
The latter declare, "I pay the same sub fee you do! You aren't the boss of me and how I choose to have fun! Rabble rabble rabble!"
My advice is, therefore: Decide in advance whether or not you want to be a part of group 1. If not, then don't worry about it. If so, then definitely don't be a White Mage ICly.
(12-10-2015, 04:41 PM)Sylentmana Wrote: [ -> ]You could RP the White Mage archetype without actually accepting the title. That seems to work for some folks.
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If you were caught using a spell particular to that type of magic wouldn't you automatically be given the label regardless of if you wanted it?
If I RP as a Thaumaturge and use my own Aether for spells I'm not a BLM particularly. The second I draw Aether from my surroundings to power my spells a good number of people would probably be at my throat calling me a Black Mage regardless if I considered myself one.
(12-10-2015, 04:42 PM)Calliope Cloverbloom Wrote: [ -> ]You'll find in any RP setting there's a segment of the population that attempt to be total lore purists, and a segment that are okay with varying degrees of separation from lore if it seems fun and reasonable and isn't hurting anybody.
The former declare, "My immersion! You're ruining my immersion! Rabble rabble rabble!"
The latter declare, "I pay the same sub fee you do! You aren't the boss of me and how I choose to have fun! Rabble rabble rabble!"
My advice is, therefore: Decide in advance whether or not you want to be a part of group 1. If not, then don't worry about it. If so, then definitely don't be a White Mage ICly.
Pretty much this. Depending on how you RP will open up, or lock you out, of certain folks who play in their own way. What matters mostly is are you having fun?
White Mage is tricky, but the important thing to keep in mind is that in XIV? White Mage refers to a specific job, and not in the PVE sense. White Mages are the guardians of the Twelveswood, sworn defenders and trusted allies of the Elementals that inhabit the woods. It does not mean you are a super powerful healer! It means you've got access to Succor, which is just... different healing. It's perfectly possible and feasible to play an omnipotent healer person without needing the WHM abbreviation.
At the end of the day, the questions comes down to "Do I want to play a good healer?" or "Do I want a defined role and cool robe?"
(12-10-2015, 04:29 PM)missmizzy4 Wrote: [ -> ]Let me know if their is anyway around this, and if not, I just need feedback! Thanks! Â
RP how you would like to, there are several IC WHMs out there in the world. There are a few ways to bend the lore to become one, just it can be a bit tricky. Firstly, your character could've only become a white mage within the last 5 years. There's a distinct timeline cutoff there in lore if you're trying to stay lore abiding. Secondly, white mages are relatively unknown to everyone outside the Twelveswood, and more exclusively outside the Padjal. The 1600 year-dead art was kept a closely guarded secret. So most people out in the world shouldn't know what a white mage is in the first place. You can either see that as a reason against why your character shouldn't know white magic, or you can take it as a way to disguise your white mage as powerful conjury.
Alternatively, your character could just be an actual Conjurer. Apart from the lore-stickiness, very few people seem to be able to tell the difference, though White Mages have access to an entirely different magical art called Succor, which is not anything like Conjury. However, a White Mage can only control succor within their abilities of a conjurer first. Seeing as how you must have been a conjurer per lore to even be able to control succor, many people opt to go the route as Fane Conjurers who for whatever reason are taught to become White Mages by the Padjal or from a soulstone found in Amdapor.
I've set up a
Compilation Post on Conjurer and White Mage Lore that has links to several lore sources on various topics pertaining to Conjury, White Magic, Hearers, Elementals, etc. Hopefully that can help answer your questions and maybe gauge how best to proceed with your character design. ^^
IMO there is very little that being a WHM is going to add to your narrative that you can't accomplish with a CNJ and you'll just get a boatload of dirty looks for essentially no reason. CNJ's are strong as hell and have access to most of the class abilities.
(12-10-2015, 04:44 PM)Sana Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2015, 04:41 PM)Sylentmana Wrote: [ -> ]You could RP the White Mage archetype without actually accepting the title. That seems to work for some folks.
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If you were caught using a spell particular to that type of magic wouldn't you automatically be given the label regardless of if you wanted it?
If I RP as a Thaumaturge and use my own Aether for spells I'm not a BLM particularly. The second I draw Aether from my surroundings to power my spells a good number of people would probably be at my throat calling me a Black Mage regardless if I considered myself one.
Then don't use that spell in RP. There is also the fact that most people who aren't trained in the use of Conjury or White Magic shouldn't be able to tell the difference.
(12-10-2015, 05:04 PM)Teadrinker Wrote: [ -> ]IMO there is very little that being a WHM is going to add to your narrative that you can't accomplish with a CNJ and you'll just get a boatload of dirty looks for essentially no reason. CNJ's are strong as hell and have access to most of the class abilities.
Pretty much this. However there's really nothing stopping you from doing it if you really want to, MissMizzy. Some people won't like it and I want to stress they're more than allowed to feel that way as well but at the end of the day it's YOUR character, RP as you like! You're going to find a lot of people who will care but just as many who won't.
Having chosen myself to play a character very close to the Twelveswood and conjury, and knowing that I don't generally like to twist the lore when there is no real reason to do it, and here as said above, the only thing I would gain from a WhM perspective would be basically to be privy of the tiny circle of padjals protecting the Shroud... For what? Succor and the elemental healing?
Also, I prefer to play a generally modest character which I find more interesting, without tying me too much to the Twelveswood at the same time...
I can even still say that the character can hear the elementals too since it can also be a gift to non padjal characters...
So yeah, I would think I actually lose a lot by trying to stand out as one of the handful of WhM in the world rather than playing my own little conjurer that have access to most of the same RP anyway...