(01-18-2017, 12:23 AM)Aaron Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not the only one wondering why the GE isn't just sending two legions instead of one to take over Eorzea?
Judging from what that gridanian chic said all this would literally be over in less than a week if Garlemad legit just went "ehh... Send two, maybe one and a half."
Garlemald is huge and most legions are actually busy with their own duties stationned in all its regions as far as I know.
But they sure probably can afford to send more than the first time. That's what this specific line seemed to hint at to my eyes.
(01-18-2017, 01:54 AM)Graeham Wrote: [ -> ]Aymeric's also pretty stupid. Seriously, why is he apologising for Ishgard not lending its aid to the rest of Eorzea when it was locked in a bitter, brutal war with Nidhogg and his servants?
The Dragonsong War seems like it had its ebbs and flows, and from what I recall it was in a bit of a lull between Nidhogg getting rekt by Alberic at Ferndale and the Calamity spurring the Dravanian assault upon the Stone and Steel Vigils, so the Ishgardians likely could have spared forces.
It also wouldn't have been the first time the Holy See deployed soldiers to foreign lands during the Dragonsong War. Ishgard sent its forces to the otherwise isolated Gridania to help them defend against the Ala Mhigan invasion during the Autumn War (a task arguably more difficult than facing off against a single fractured Legion with a dead commander).
I think Aymeric's little speech, while a bit melodramatic, was politically appropriate when you consider how recently Ishgard entered the Alliance and how poorly its very recent spate of isolationism reflected upon it from the outside.
I will say that, from a purely retrospective point of view, not sending troops to aid the Alliance against the Garleans was probably a net benefit for Ishgard in a vacuum. Having more soldiers would not have changed the outcome of the battle, and would have left Ishgard weaker and more vulnerable in the face of the Dravanian's post-Calamity resurgence.
(01-18-2017, 05:06 AM)Valence Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2017, 12:23 AM)Aaron Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not the only one wondering why the GE isn't just sending two legions instead of one to take over Eorzea?
Judging from what that gridanian chic said all this would literally be over in less than a week if Garlemad legit just went "ehh... Send two, maybe one and a half."
Garlemald is huge and most legions are actually busy with their own duties stationned in all its regions as far as I know.
But they sure probably can afford to send more than the first time. That's what this specific line seemed to hint at to my eyes.
IIRC there's something to this. I think it was suggested in the MSQ around about the time Yugiri showed up that Garlemald had been pretty over-extended, similar to late Rome, and that they were starting to have difficulty maintaining control within their own borders when the war of succession hit. That's in part why Doma tried to revolt -- it didn't last long, but apparently there was enough of a gap that they made the attempt anyway.
I'm pretty sure Gaius' legion really was all they could spare. (But he was doing his own thing anyway, right?)
Idk about anyone else but we knew going in a primal was going to be summoned and it was gonna be strong but for me personally considering all the primals we did take down I underestimated the gravity of the situation until answers started playing in the background during the summoning. When that shit started playing I actually got pretty concerned that this was not gonna be a simple thing to deal with XD.
(01-18-2017, 05:41 AM)V Wrote: [ -> ]I think Aymeric's little speech, while a bit melodramatic, was politically appropriate when you consider how recently Ishgard entered the Alliance and how poorly its very recent spate of isolationism reflected upon it from the outside.
Only one word to explain why he did so when he didn't have to: Politics. He knows how to play the game, and apologizing for not sending troops costs nothing and butters the conversation.
Its pretty clear that the Primal will play a role in a future Patch or the Expansion and perhaps it may even be one of the twelve? That'd be an interesting twist to have to face off against Rhalgar? The Patron Deity of the Ala Mhigan's. I'd be for this, as it would make a link between the beastmen's primals and that of the Free People of Eorzea's plus it'd open the door to far more primals in the future, the Twelve serving as Elder Primals of sorts.
(01-18-2017, 09:26 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: [ -> ]Only one word to explain why he did so when he didn't have to: Politics. He knows how to play the game, and apologizing for not sending troops costs nothing and butters the conversation.
In negociations that's actually the worst thing you can do. You don't bring up a sore subject for you if it's not been specifically brought up someone else. The only thing he managed to was to make everyone awkward, and could potentially have brought up a sore subject that could have gone in the way of everything else.
If someone brings it up, then yes, you apologize and move on.
Maybe Aymeric is just young and still inexperienced.
(01-18-2017, 11:06 AM)Valence Wrote: [ -> ]In negociations that's actually the worst thing you can do. You don't bring up a sore subject for you if it's not been specifically brought up someone else. The only thing he managed to was to make everyone awkward, and could potentially have brought up a sore subject that could have gone in the way of everything else.
If someone brings it up, then yes, you apologize and move on.
Maybe Aymeric is just young and still inexperienced.
Yeah but they weren't really negociating. More like "Garlemald will probably want to tear us a new asshole. Wat do?"
And yeah, after getting that title, I'm like Koji fucked up BAD.
Eh, I liked Hildibrand at least. Cyr's character growth is instantaneous but comprehensible and I'd genuinely like to see a quest involving him eventually (but pls get new clothes than the Patrician's outfit dyed blue). I haven't done the Beast Tribe extension because I'm only Sworn with the moogles rather than Bloodsworn an they're the only ones I need. I haven't done Zurvan either nor Sohm Al (Hard) yet so I dunno about those.
Regarding the primal: I just have so many problems with this thing.
1). Tupsimati still has "great power", and yet the sealing spell takes up all of the caster's aether? Well, Tupsimati's "great power" must count for utter shit, then. The way the dialogue is written, it's implied that all of the caster's aether is used up no matter what the scale of the spell is, so what is the point of this Chekhov's gun if it doesn't even seem to matter as a plot device?
2). You need hours to gather the aether? THERE IS A PRIMAL RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, A BEING MADE OUT OF WISHFUL THINKING AND AETHER. YOU HAVE AETHER. What, did the primal just call dibs on all the ambient aether in the air and using that would just be impolite?
And the thing is that there has to be a shitload of loose, ambient aether around the primal that isn't being used, that COULD be used for the spell. Because if there isn't, then what in God's name is the primal absorbing to take shape!? And if said primal isn't using any ambient aether and is instead using the aether from the Eyes of Nidhogg, then why is it taking so long to form? Shiva (who didn't even need the Eyes), King Thordan, and Corrupted Estinien didn't take twenty minutes to take shape, they more or less formed instantaneously, so why is this thing suddenly special? Are there suddenly special rules for primal summoning? Was this primal busy trying to get its forms through the Department of Primal Formations so that it could take shape on Eorzea?
3). I'm the Warrior of fucking Light! Who cares if there's a primal being summoned when I've schooled like nine of these fuckers practically singlehandedly? Why should I waste time running away, when you Scion twats are just going to make me run all the way back and kill this primal when it eventually gets released anyway?
And for Baelsar's Wall, I just don't get it. How do a couple hundred unorganised wahoos take on what should be the most fortified border in the empire? Eorzea as a region more or less crippled two entire legions, so how is the wall not the most fortified border in the Empire? You idiots have tried twice, twice to conquer this piddly little region of Aldenard with superweapons, and utterly failed both times. Guess what? You managed to completely conquer Ala Mhigo with traditional Garlean arms and tactics. Have you maybe thought about using that again before the Eorzeans summon another demigod to kick your ass?
As a side note, I finally figured out what makes every MSQ so exhausting to get through.
The dialogue is so needlessly wordy and verbose. What should be very simple ideas to convey--such as "yes", "no", "good to see you again", "I disagree", and "I will go there now"--gets stretched out to three, four, sometimes five long sentences written in their standard early modern English style.
This isn't particularly a problem when only a few characters do it--Urianger's verbosity is a notable exception, although what his archaic speaking style is supposed to convey about him I'm not entirely sure considering no one else in the game besides the dragons talk like him--but when everyone constantly takes thirty seconds of speech to say something that should really only take five seconds to say, it gets incredibly draining. There's a difference between writing dialogue to make characters distinct, and writing dialogue to waste my time.
I think my complaint about this extends to most of the game's dialogue in general. It's why I still haven't managed to chew through Hildibrand or the Scholasticate. It's like eating a bucket of paint remover with a pair of chopsticks.
(01-18-2017, 12:06 PM)Nero Wrote: [ -> ]3). I'm the Warrior of fucking Light! Who cares if there's a primal being summoned when I've schooled like nine of these fuckers practically singlehandedly? Why should I waste time running away, when you Scion twats are just going to make me run all the way back and kill this primal when it eventually gets released anyway?
This is all "buying time" too, apparently. Since it follows up with apparently everyone getting prepared to go crack the New Moon Egg to defeat the primal. Which we... could've done right there? Maybe had a less fatal stall tactic used while the WoL "gathers up their allies" to kick this particular primal's teeth in?
I mean, the fact of the Eyes are being used aren't exactly a game-changer either, we've kicked ACTUAL Nidhogg's butt already (albeit apparently with Hraes' help) as well as
another Primal that was utilizing one of his eyes. So us running off instead of the WoL taking a moment to ring up his Primal Murder Squad on his linkpearl or whatever seems... unnecessary? Unless this thing really is apparently on par with or stronger than Bahamut - in which case taking it out before it can reach full power like we do with the WARRING TRIAD
still seems like the most logical course of action!
... And that's why I chose not to leave. Not that it meant anything since you get But Thou Must'd onto the airship by Papa anyway.
I did appreciate being given the option to try and stay, at least. It was obvious that the story wouldn't actually let me stay but I had to try.
So for anyone else using Japanese dialogue, did anyone elae catch Papalymo calling Yda his "second" partner?
(01-18-2017, 12:06 PM)Nero Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the primal: I just have so many problems with this thing.
1). Tupsimati still has "great power", and yet the sealing spell takes up all of the caster's aether? Well, Tupsimati's "great power" must count for utter shit, then. The way the dialogue is written, it's implied that all of the caster's aether is used up no matter what the scale of the spell is, so what is the point of this Chekhov's gun if it doesn't even seem to matter as a plot device?
2). You need hours to gather the aether? THERE IS A PRIMAL RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, A BEING MADE OUT OF WISHFUL THINKING AND AETHER. YOU HAVE AETHER. What, did the primal just call dibs on all the ambient aether in the air and using that would just be impolite?
And the thing is that there has to be a shitload of loose, ambient aether around the primal that isn't being used, that COULD be used for the spell. Because if there isn't, then what in God's name is the primal absorbing to take shape!? And if said primal isn't using any ambient aether and is instead using the aether from the Eyes of Nidhogg, then why is it taking so long to form? Shiva (who didn't even need the Eyes), King Thordan, and Corrupted Estinien didn't take twenty minutes to take shape, they more or less formed instantaneously, so why is this thing suddenly special? Are there suddenly special rules for primal summoning? Was this primal busy trying to get its forms through the Department of Primal Formations so that it could take shape on Eorzea?
3). I'm the Warrior of fucking Light! Who cares if there's a primal being summoned when I've schooled like nine of these fuckers practically singlehandedly? Why should I waste time running away, when you Scion twats are just going to make me run all the way back and kill this primal when it eventually gets released anyway?
And for Baelsar's Wall, I just don't get it. How do a couple hundred unorganised wahoos take on what should be the most fortified border in the empire? Eorzea as a region more or less crippled two entire legions, so how is the wall not the most fortified border in the Empire? You idiots have tried twice, twice to conquer this piddly little region of Aldenard with superweapons, and utterly failed both times. Guess what? You managed to completely conquer Ala Mhigo with traditional Garlean arms and tactics. Have you maybe thought about using that again before the Eorzeans summon another demigod to kick your ass?
As a side note, I finally figured out what makes every MSQ so exhausting to get through.
The dialogue is so needlessly wordy and verbose. What should be very simple ideas to convey--such as "yes", "no", "good to see you again", "I disagree", and "I will go there now"--gets stretched out to three, four, sometimes five long sentences written in their standard early modern English style.
This isn't particularly a problem when only a few characters do it--Urianger's verbosity is a notable exception, although what his archaic speaking style is supposed to convey about him I'm not entirely sure considering no one else in the game besides the dragons talk like him--but when everyone constantly takes thirty seconds of speech to say something that should really only take five seconds to say, it gets incredibly draining. There's a difference between writing dialogue to make characters distinct, and writing dialogue to waste my time.
I think my complaint about this extends to most of the game's dialogue in general. It's why I still haven't managed to chew through Hildibrand or the Scholasticate. It's like eating a bucket of paint remover with a pair of chopsticks.
1. The spell didn't kill Papalymo because it took all his aether. Papalymo killed himself because the spell involves invoking a primal summoning and then committing suicide before it fully manifests.
2. The Rhalgr primal had used the aether from the dead bodies and Nidhogg's Eyes. He didn't pull from ambient aether. When something dies a violent death, its aether bursts out in a violent way and creates crystals. Mass deaths are just as usable for summoning a primal as crystals are.
3. This is a primal of the Twelve, with so much faith backing it and aether from both of Nidhogg's eyes that it would be vastly more powerful than King Thordan was. It could possibly be as bad as Bahamut, given that he's also the Destroyer.
4. They didn't. Did you miss the part where they were all slaughtered? All the resistance managed was to kill some Garleans before the spiders came in.
(01-18-2017, 01:05 PM)L Wrote: [ -> ]4. They didn't. Did you miss the part where they were all slaughtered? All the resistance managed was to kill some Garleans before the spiders came in.
Spiders under the control of Laurentius OR DID WE CONVENIENTLY FORGET that this motherfucker released "something" that coincided with the spiders showing up.
Even before the spiders showed up it was considered a massacre.