Hydaelyn Role-Players

(05-20-2017, 11:21 AM)Virella Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017, 11:05 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Maintain a positive atmosphere for roleplaying. Harassment of other players is never tolerated.

Given that WoW seems to have completely failed in enforcing that, I severely doubt SE would be able to. I'd rather stay on a server with my friends where I can speak freely if wanted.

They actually do throw the ban hammer quite hard on people who harassed roleplayers. Only places it was questionable was RP-PvP server due to you technically signing up for PvP as well.

That said, they were a lot better about it in Vanilla/TBC. After that Activision came in, and rip caring about roleplayers.

Speaking freely? Dude. DUDE. C'mon. Don't you think we had some places to trashtalk OOC in public? Of course we do. Mostly trade district with the Market Boards were n1 spot, and later we got the Meme Roof. But that was all out of direct sight of RPers. And if people were passing trough the trade district IC, no one would kick up a stink and go "Ew gross RPers." either. It was nice.

What I mean is that from everyone I've heard talk about WoW RP, they totally let the RPers attack and mutilate their own communities. I guess Blizzard probably just went "not on our site" and left it at that, but you know exactly what I'm talking about. A server tagged for RP would just invite in "RP Police" people who'd be just as dangerous to a community as any RP-hating jerk.

(05-20-2017, 11:25 AM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote: [ -> ]What I mean is that from everyone I've heard talk about WoW RP, they totally let the RPers attack and mutilate their own communities. I guess Blizzard probably just went "not on our site" and left it at that, but you know exactly what I'm talking about. A server tagged for RP would just invite in "RP Police" people who'd be just as dangerous to a community as any RP-hating jerk.

"Server tagged for RP would invite the RP police". People with standards get accused on that on Balmung on the time, so it wouldn't make any difference

Blizzard didn't give a fuck about what quality of RP people had. As long you weren't harassing people over it. Aka stay the fuck away from Tumblr~

I don't have a large presence in Balmung's community and/or deep ties with large amounts of people here... So I would move if and ONLY if: most of my immediate friends were also moving, I got to keep 100% of my assets, and the move itself was free. If even one of those things was not included in the package, it'd be a deal breaker for me.

I more than likely won't leave.

That said, we'll have to watch how SE deals with Balmung and its population. They leave it open that they can and will consider a server split. It won't be in the near future, but it's a possibility. According to FFXI players, it has happened.

Technology's changed and all that, but I wouldn't say I'm 100% confident they won't throw that at us. Right now, I just know we'll stay locked for a long time cause we need to lose about 4k based on the numbers I've seen (however flawed and approximated) to maybe get considered as 'just highly congested'.

Which, I can pretty damn say everyone would agree would be the worst horrible decision for us.

It's very unlikely that I'd transfer my main off Balmung. If the new server was cool enough I'd make an alt or something.

(05-20-2017, 10:56 AM)Virella Wrote: [ -> ]Create a name that fits within the World of Warcraft universe. Remember that rules for Roleplaying servers are in addition to the regular Naming Policy. "Iwillcrushyou", "Roguesftw" and "Shammysrule" are examples of names that would be against the Roleplaying Naming Policy.

Stay in character in /say, /yell, in emotes, or any other channel used for roleplaying. This means no discussion of real life events or people in these areas. Players should also take the time to spell out words and phrases. Refrain from using internet jargon and acronyms such as "lol" or "pwn".

Unless the RP server is started from scratch, something like these two should be more like guidelines instead of actual forcible rules I think. I'd imagine there to be a huge outcry if they officially designated an already existing server RP and forced many players to change their names and stuff.

(05-20-2017, 12:36 PM)Max Wrote: [ -> ]Unless the RP server is started from scratch, something like these two should be more like guidelines instead of actual forcible rules I think. I'd imagine there to be a huge outcry if they officially designated an already existing server RP and forced many players to change their names and stuff.

Oh god, no. I don't want them to slap RP tag on Balmung. Ever.

Putting an RP tag on Balmung wouldn't really do anything and trying to enforce those rules would end up horribly too.

It would have to be an extremely low pop server realistically. Ideally they'd make a new world but they're only doing that when your average population is really even amongst all the worlds on one data center.

If they were smart and made a new server with the RP tag (no additional rules or moderation needed, and, in games that claim they have such they don't enforce it strongly for long anyway), and offered free transfers to the server, and implemented a system of tokens or somesuch so that those who transfer could reclaim an FC with the same rank, reclaim a house if they (or their owned FC, or both) had one, reclaim private chambers, reclaim airships with a particular level, etc... so that the cost to the player of the transfer is nothing more than a bit of the player's own time to go and claim all the things, then I would surely transfer.

But they won't be smart, even if they do designate something as an RP server. So it's sort of a moot discussion, honestly.

Remember these tidbits from the Lockdown notice:

"If players are able to transfer characters without problems after these changes, we will consider removing the gil limit on character transfers."

"For players who own personal housing, we are planning a number of provisions including a reimbursement for the full price of the estate, and compensation for the cost of furnishings which we will add in subsequent updates moving forward. We also plan to accommodate free companies members that plan to move together with or without a free company estate."

The latter hurts those who bought a house from a scalper, which is unfortunate. But in general, it does look like SE is addressing some of the issues brought up in previous comments here.

(05-20-2017, 12:58 PM)ExAtomos Wrote: [ -> ]Remember these tidbits from the Lockdown notice:

"If players are able to transfer characters without problems after these changes, we will consider removing the gil limit on character transfers."

"For players who own personal housing, we are planning a number of provisions including a reimbursement for the full price of the estate, and compensation for the cost of furnishings which we will add in subsequent updates moving forward. We also plan to accommodate free companies members that plan to move together with or without a free company estate."

A lot of people are forgetting this whole statement. And I'm not sure how the bolded part is harmful, that's what people have been asking for, right?

edit: and yes, people who bought their houses from other people, it's unfortunate but it's not their fault they charge double, maybe even triple, than the original plan

If there is another (non-Balmung) server officially designated as RP, the only delay to my transferring would be logging in just long enough to take down all my marketboard items to prepare my character.

I don't have many attachments to Balmung as such. I've made acquaintances and friends, but none deep enough to anchor me to the server, should they decide not to transfer. I don't mind starting fresh socially, especially since I intentionally keep my RP light.

Having said that, I doubt Square Enix is going to create (or designate) such a server. I don't think there's a large enough population of players to warrant such a move, since not only would it require said players to be interested in RP (already a minority), players would also have to care enough about the issue to demand an official RP server, and be willing to transfer to it.

The scalper issue is why they need to do tokens of some sort. A medium house = a medium house token.

Truth be told, I don't think I would move unless most of my immediate friends/RP partners along with most of my FC (including all the leadership) and LS (also including all the leadership) were down to move. And only if I could move back if things ended up not panning out for whatever reason, either because people decided to just not move or because the people I currently RP with or have a vested interest in RPing with decide to move back or stay behind.

I don't think most of the RP community on Balmung would move, though, truth be told -- regardless of whether an official RP server was created/designated or not. Even if it was free and even if people could take everything with them (housing tokens or something, which I honestly think is a pipe dream because even with the moving feature they're implementing, you still have to buy the plot for full server price. I also do not think that letting people have special tokens to automatically have/buy a house is a good idea in general).

There are immaterial things that Square Enix cannot be reasonably expected to replace in the move over, such as RP connections and the like, and I don't think that the rules and distinctions that would come with being on an "RP" server (like the lore-compliant name thing? What if a character goes by an alias? Can SE be reasonably expected to monitor backstories and alter-egos?) would necessarily sit well with everyone who RPs. Plus there's the fact that PvE/PvP players might transfer to watch RP and be with their RPer friends, and it would kind of be unfair to make them change their names for "muh immersun" unless said name changes were also free. Realistically beyond that, PvE and PvP players would have nothing to lose by transferring to an RP server along with the RPers due to the cross-world party finder and stuff, unless it was placed on a different datacenter (which considering that Aether has both of the super-highpop NA servers, it probably would be I'd think? Primal definitely has population disparities but I'd think it's a bit more evenly-spread than Aether given the absence of the population black holes that are Balmung and Gilgamesh) which might make things a little more complicated for them...

... Of course all this changes if they were to add additional actual functionality to an RP server in order to enhance the RP experience. Then I might be a little quicker to the draw. Like if they added some small extra emotes (can I have that hand-waving thing Alphinaud does when he's explaining stuff please?!), or gave a discount for emotes on the Mogstation if you sent it to a character on an RP server, which they could cover by jacking up the price of Fantasias if it were sent to characters on RP servers. :^)
... Or even just raised the character limit a bit (One extra line?) on search comments for character info/bio links (an in-game way to have short character bios would sell me immediately on an RP server actually) or world PFs for advertisements. Stuff like that. Asking them to make an RP server already is, imo, already pretty unrealistic -- so may as well go ham with all of my hopes and dreams if it were to happen...

(05-20-2017, 11:21 AM)Virella Wrote: [ -> ]They actually do throw the ban hammer quite hard on people who harassed roleplayers. Only places it was questionable was RP-PvP server due to you technically signing up for PvP as well.

It's nice to know they did that on the EU realms at least. >.<

I played on the main NA RP server (at least by population standards) for many, many years and not a single instance of harassment, unless there were threats involved, were handled just from what I saw among friends/guilds. Reporting names didn't do much either unless it was super lewd or offensive and people used /shout channels for all kinds of annoying things, especially when a guild would be trying to use a zone for a big RP event. Most times the GM's simply said "put them on ignore".

It's just really hard to enforce much when you have so many players on a server, especially when not everyone who plays there is a roleplayer. I had only about 10% RPers in my guild and the rest of it was there for raiding, though I strictly enforced the "don't be an asshole on the server" rule with my folks. So you just never really know. Policing things like this really isn't a top priority unless again there are threats involved and it's really unfortunate.



I personally wouldn't move now if they did start tagging servers as RP Servers. After just getting a house and the nightmare that comes with that all over again, it's not worth it to me. I've also made a good amount of connections with players who are not RPers and I know they wouldn't move so, I'm pretty much content to stay put.

Yeah, if they designated an official RP server I would move to it. The details aren't particularly relevant to my decision as the choice to be on the officially designated RP server would outweigh any of my other considerations.