This is a tricky one. Â In the end I think folks should do whatever they feel is best for their own story arcs. Â Again, I'm a little glad we chose to time-jump rather than stay behind since it allows dodging of the entire issue. Â But if Eva did stay behind, I would think friendships forged would allow her to retain many of her memories of her friends and peers. Â I also wouldn't want to go against the lore - so there's probably a good middle ground there where details might be a little hazy - particularly towards the end of 1.0.
In any case, I'm really looking forward to the resulting RP, however it's spun. Â If the people whose lives she touched remember Eva than I'm sure she will be happy, and if not than she may be appropriately confused.
The group of us who left on the boat for the island did so well before the battle in Mor Dhona. We weren't there when Dalamud fell and we didn't see those who skipped fight in the battle or get sent in time. I think it makes sense that this whole hazy memory thing wouldn't even effect us in particular. As such, in my own RP, I'm going to ignore this issue entirely. Manari would not forget her friends anyway. But even for those who didn't skip and stayed in Eorzea, expecting them to just forget every person who skipped is asking a lot.
However, I'm sure more lore on this issue will be made known once the 1.0 characters are able to be used in 2.0. I know we will start in a different place than new characters and NPC dialog is different for us.
We all seem to somewhat agree on this middle-ground of "If they were close family or friends, you might be harder pressed to forget". I like what Aysun wrote of reforging bonds. This obviously would happen even if not for this memory loss thing. Five years of being gone does that to any kind of group.
But I don't think just downright complete amnesia of relationships is called for. Â The NPCs do say that they can remember everything but like the faces and names. So, insert the face+name and they should remember, right? I tried to find an NPC that had a family member in the battle but I never found one that spoke of it. That'd shed some light on everything.Â
I'm not in as much of a pickle as some of you guys are since JJ/Alex does not have any recent ties to any characters. As for Alex, who did not jump time, I'm trying to figure out how he'd respond to all this... you know, his dad and sister disappeared for five years, but he'd not forget their names and faces, would he?
(06-15-2013, 09:55 PM)Rhostel Wrote: [ -> ]In any case, as I said, it's only the identity that's forgotten. Names falter on tongues and faces cannot be pictured, but deeds, emotions and objects connected to those who vanished linger in the memories of those left behind. This is made quite clear. If you left behind family, they'd remember you, they just wouldn't be able to give you a proper memorial.
Quoting myself for emphasis, since a lot of people seem to have missed it.
(06-16-2013, 11:26 AM)BadlandsJohn Wrote: [ -> ]I tried to find an NPC that had a family member in the battle but I never found one that spoke of it. That'd shed some light on everything.
There's an orphan in Gridania whose father went missing in the battle, it's openly spoken of.
This whole topic confuses me and I tried to rationalize things for myself yesterday, being someone not involved in the time skip myself. I think before I make any solid decisions like Manari said, I'm going to wait for our 1.0 characters to be available, to see if they give us any more concrete information of what happened.
It will be unfortunate though if it comes down to people actually not being able to remember anything... seems silly to me, because that can be completely personality changing.
I sorta skimmed thru the comments so sorry if this has been mentioned. When we get our legacy characters back it is possible the storyline may be different. The story given is just for new characters, with warriors of light being the legacy characters. Anyways my two cents and I am keeping the change.
As you progress through the story a bit, this gets mentioned multiple times. So I think there are a couple of potential ways to look at this. By way of example, I'm going to use Ellaire Aldul, Rhio's mother and a resident of Ul'dah, because she exemplifies the problem perfectly.
The obvious method is that you forget this person ever existed, left with just fuzzy memories of who they once were. This would work for casual acquaintances, but Ellaire has years of evidence to point to the existence of her daughter. If she completely forgot Rhio it would leave her completely insane, surrounded by a life with huge blanks that she can't possibly fill in.
Even in more casual cases, it has issues. Deirdre knew Rhio, for example, and they had certain interactions that shaped one another. If Deirdre gave Rhio a gift, how does she explain the fact that one of her belongings has gone missing? She knows she gave it to someone, but who? Why?
Instead, I favor a disconnect. Ellaire remembers her daughter, Rhio, and she remembers that Rhio went... somewhere. She can't remember where. She doesn't know where. And she should know, and it needles at her, but just like the year after Dalamud fell, everything gets hazy. She knows that there was a miqo'te at the battle, and it could have been Rhio, but... was that it? No, that couldn't have been.
Sure, there's still a disconnect. Rhio could show up at Ellaire's door and Ellaire wouldn't fully recognize her daughter. But it at least allows the people to be remembered without violating lore.
^ This is a pretty great way to do it. That disconnect is the perfect way to describe what seems to be happening.
(06-16-2013, 02:20 PM)Rhio Wrote: [ -> ]Instead, I favor a disconnect. Â Ellaire remembers her daughter, Rhio, and she remembers that Rhio went... somewhere. Â She can't remember where. Â She doesn't know where. Â And she should know, and it needles at her, but just like the year after Dalamud fell, everything gets hazy. Â She knows that there was a miqo'te at the battle, and it could have been Rhio, but... was that it? Â No, that couldn't have been.
Sure, there's still a disconnect. Â Rhio could show up at Ellaire's door and Ellaire wouldn't fully recognize her daughter. Â But it at least allows the people to be remembered without violating lore.
This is the easiest way to do it. It allows for the confusion that the lore is going for but it doesn't completely erase past relationships.
Uther was in Ishgard for the entirety of 1.0 so he won't really have to deal with this, but it'll be interesting to watch how this fuzzy memory thing plays out with everyone else.
Another thing I'm wondering is if for some people it'd just be easier to ignore this problem. I know that sounds a little like lore blasphemy, but it's not
too uncommon. For instance, how many of us actually are from "somewhere else" or have the Echo? In Uther's case, I replaced "somewhere else" with Ishgard, and any time he's referred to as "special" or "different" I sub in either being damn good with a spear, being from Ishgard, or that inner-dragon thing from the Dragoon story arc. It's worked out so far.
(06-16-2013, 02:20 PM)Rhio Wrote: [ -> ]Instead, I favor a disconnect. Ellaire remembers her daughter, Rhio, and she remembers that Rhio went... somewhere. She can't remember where. She doesn't know where. And she should know, and it needles at her, but just like the year after Dalamud fell, everything gets hazy. She knows that there was a miqo'te at the battle, and it could have been Rhio, but... was that it? No, that couldn't have been.
Sure, there's still a disconnect. Rhio could show up at Ellaire's door and Ellaire wouldn't fully recognize her daughter. But it at least allows the people to be remembered without violating lore.
Actually I think you've got it backwards, from what I saw from the Gridania questline. Everyone remembers the deeds and the fact that they fought in the battle, but not the names or the faces. Rhio's mother would remember that her daughter went to fight the Garleans and disappeared after Bahamut's attack, and she'd remember her interactions with her, but her name and face would probably elude her. Sort of like in the ending of FFVIII where everyone's faces are blurred out and indiscernible. They're still there in your memories, but you can't quite make them out.
At least, that's the impression I got.
Personally I like the effect for new players who didn't play 1.0 My character Reese is suffering from amnesia due to the Calamity, he doesn't remember anyone at all (since I didn't play 1.0). He did not time jump and was simply not around during the first fight that the Warriors of Light participated in, his time is now (he was too busy saving people, getting them out of harm's way). So this story was a great thing for me personally and the amnesia/foggy memory is such a Squaresoft trope I sometimes wonder if they invented it, lol.
In my own opinion, I feel as though it might be best to wait until we get to play our 1.0 characters through the storyline. While they might say they don't remember the names or faces of the adventurers from Carteneau to new players, that might not be the case with our 1.0 characters. I don't have time to dig up the quote right now, but as Nee said, Yoshi-P mentioned that 1.0 characters will experience a slightly different interaction with NPCs during the main storyline that new players will not. It was mentioned that we'll be known as "hollow ones" or something along those lines.
My guess is that certain characters, such as the Grand Company leaders and the archons, will recognize your character after having their memory jogged by actually seeing you again.
Or, maybe not. Either way, I feel as though it might be best to wait until we find out what happens in the 1.0 character version of the storyline before claiming anything as 100% canon.
(06-17-2013, 02:16 AM)Merri Wrote: [ -> ]I feel as though it might be best to wait until we find out what happens in the 1.0 character version of the storyline before claiming anything as 100% canon.
Probably the best course of action.
(06-17-2013, 02:18 AM)Abodo Wrote: [ -> ] (06-17-2013, 02:16 AM)Merri Wrote: [ -> ]I feel as though it might be best to wait until we find out what happens in the 1.0 character version of the storyline before claiming anything as 100% canon.
Probably the best course of action.
You mean like I said in the third post of the thread? Come on, people, catch up!
We know that there's more to the story than what we've seen, but we do have to at least clarify what we know so far if we're going to get anywhere.
Also, what Ellie said.