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(08-06-2013, 10:57 AM)Myavar Wrote: [ -> ]I just noticed that the banner on our clan page has a silly in it.. The male Duskwight in the image has two different skin colors from his face to his arm o_O;

On a serious thought about the "Right of Passage" I think I'll stick with something small and simple, like the passing on of an heirloom. I'd mentioned a little about it to Meg in a PM, but there's a very important item to Myavar that was passed down from several generations of women in her ancestry.

This particular item could easily serve the purpose of a recognition into adulthood, at the least, and would serve the purpose for a single family.

I could get behind an heirloom thing. It makes sense. Since Clan Hla'Rahel is broken off of Clan Desfosse, I think it would make sense if we shared a lot of traditions. Luckily, I haven't personally given that too much thought, so I'm an open book!

Anyway, I wanted to stop by and show you guys what I'm working on, based off PM conversations with several people in this thread (My PM-count is higher than my post-count lol), because I"m about to be gone for a week and won't be working on it while I'm away. I have yet to get confirmation on all of what's in that pic and obviously most of it is missing explanations. I'm going to attach a snippet of explanation to each connection between clans, but right now, here's some interesting tidbits:

Eva and Myavar appear to be distantly related, which makes sense, considering the jokes earlier in the thread! This is, of course, pending Eva's approval.

Clan Voleur (Le Card's clan) broke off of Clan Desfosse a single generation after its founding, and was active in the Black Shroud along side Clan Desfosse and Clan Viedeces (Silsix's clan). Voleur, Desfosse and Viedeces each had fairly violent cultures that would have been exposed to one another. Desfosse and Viedeces both worked as professional assassins and had a long-running rivalry. Voleur was forced out of the Black Shroud by non-Duskwight forces about one hundred years ago, and has likely had little to no contact with the Shroud clans since.

An exile from Clan N'Ardente entered Clan Desfosse at about that same time. Clan Mauvaix, however, did not influence Clan Desfosse until very recently.

What this means is that Desfosse, Voleur, Viedeces and Hla'Rahel have been culturally influenced by one another as well as N'Ardente and Plunierre, but not necessarily the other way around. Clan Mauvaix influenced Clan Desfosse very tangentially, but there is no reverse interaction there presently.

Ignore the Miqo'te tribe in the lower left: there is no cultural exhange. That's just me connecting my fiance's character for the sake of my own personal RP.

Thiereia is a PC played by Ildur, who I will poke to turn his attention to this thread.

The reason I'm bringing this up now is because it involves so many of you, that you should publicly see where you all connect. Since we've begun to discuss culture and what we have in common, seeing the paths of influence will probably be extremely useful. Think about how cool it would be if Myavar and Eva both shared certain traditions, even though they had never met and couldn't ICly trace their lineage to any common point? Stuff like that, I think, is awesome.

I'm actually really nervous about showing this to you guys before it's done. If you want to change anything at all about what I've been working on, let me know, please! All of this is fluid and I would gladly move things around to increase or decrease the extent of certain connections, or to expound more upon a certain clan. Please throw feedback my way, and again, recall that nothing in here is finalized or currently 100% approved by all affected!

Also, this is mostly just the tree around Megiddo specifically. There's a lot more going on with Clan Desfosse and lots of places to make more connections with anyone who wants to do so.

(08-07-2013, 03:58 AM)Twinflame Wrote: [ -> ]Anyway, I wanted to stop by and show you guys what I'm working on, based off PM conversations with several people in this thread (My PM-count is higher than my post-count lol), because I"m about to be gone for a week and won't be working on it while I'm away. I have yet to get confirmation on all of what's in that pic and obviously most of it is missing explanations. I'm going to attach a snippet of explanation to each connection between clans, but right now, here's some interesting tidbits:

Eva and Myavar appear to be distantly related, which makes sense, considering the jokes earlier in the thread! This is, of course, pending Eva's approval.

Clan Voleur (Le Card's clan) broke off of Clan Desfosse a single generation after its founding, and was active in the Black Shroud along side Clan Desfosse and Clan Viedeces (Silsix's clan). Voleur, Desfosse and Viedeces each had fairly violent cultures that would have been exposed to one another. Desfosse and Viedeces both worked as professional assassins and had a long-running rivalry. Voleur was forced out of the Black Shroud by non-Duskwight forces about one hundred years ago, and has likely had little to no contact with the Shroud clans since.

An exile from Clan N'Ardente entered Clan Desfosse at about that same time. Clan Mauvaix, however, did not influence Clan Desfosse until very recently.

What this means is that Desfosse, Voleur, Viedeces and Hla'Rahel have been culturally influenced by one another as well as N'Ardente and Plunierre, but not necessarily the other way around. Clan Mauvaix influenced Clan Desfosse very tangentially, but there is no reverse interaction there presently.

Ignore the Miqo'te tribe in the lower left: there is no cultural exhange. That's just me connecting my fiance's character for the sake of my own personal RP.

Thiereia is a PC played by Ildur, who I will poke to turn his attention to this thread.

The reason I'm bringing this up now is because it involves so many of you, that you should publicly see where you all connect. Since we've begun to discuss culture and what we have in common, seeing the paths of influence will probably be extremely useful. Think about how cool it would be if Myavar and Eva both shared certain traditions, even though they had never met and couldn't ICly trace their lineage to any common point? Stuff like that, I think, is awesome.

I'm actually really nervous about showing this to you guys before it's done. If you want to change anything at all about what I've been working on, let me know, please! All of this is fluid and I would gladly move things around to increase or decrease the extent of certain connections, or to expound more upon a certain clan. Please throw feedback my way, and again, recall that nothing in here is finalized or currently 100% approved by all affected!

Also, this is mostly just the tree around Megiddo specifically. There's a lot more going on with Clan Desfosse and lots of places to make more connections with anyone who wants to do so.

Awesome work here. it look really cool and well thought out. Also, I posted a Charater creation built picture of Talmont(Le'cards father) on Rogier's wikki if/when you want to add it.

otherwise

OMG Meg.... that looks hella-awesome!!!!
Great job! I'm sooo excited!!!

Let me know if you need me to make my Clan's people...
(ye gods I need to work on more of my Clan details.... You shame me, Meg, you really do.... )

(08-07-2013, 04:35 AM)Kyatai Wrote: [ -> ](ye gods I need to work on more of my Clan details.... You shame me, Meg, you really do.... )

Stop standing around handing out pie, and you just might find some time to write up your family tree

Kidding though...I'm usually part of the welcoming wagon too (only 2 people welcomed me...*sniff* ).

+1 for the work, Twinflame

That is an -awesome- family tree! Super +1 to you Meg!

We're like a rainbow across that picture! 

(08-07-2013, 09:19 AM)Myavar Wrote: [ -> ]That is an -awesome- family tree! Super +1 to you Meg!

We're like a rainbow across that picture! 

A rainbow of grey-shades

*grumbles about lack of Wildwood information and growls at the Duskies*

J/k, =p

Very informative thread, and its really nice to see the community work together to compile information like this!

(08-07-2013, 03:58 AM)Twinflame Wrote: [ -> ]Anyway, I wanted to stop by and show you guys what I'm working on, based off PM conversations with several people in this thread

(08-07-2013, 03:58 AM)Twinflame Wrote: [ -> ]Eva and Myavar appear to be distantly related, which makes sense, considering the jokes earlier in the thread! This is, of course, pending Eva's approval.

Wh-? Yes. YES!!! This is awesome! And that would make a great deal of sense. I mean it's also possible that both characters have such similar traits due to similar upbringings. Eva's somewhat atypical in that she was raised entirely on the surface, but her father tried to keep to those traditional duskwight values, so she's a bit caught between two worlds.

(08-07-2013, 03:58 AM)Twinflame Wrote: [ -> ]The reason I'm bringing this up now is because it involves so many of you, that you should publicly see where you all connect. Since we've begun to discuss culture and what we have in common, seeing the paths of influence will probably be extremely useful. Think about how cool it would be if Myavar and Eva both shared certain traditions, even though they had never met and couldn't ICly trace their lineage to any common point? Stuff like that, I think, is awesome.

*still stunned* I think this is great!! I could probably provide more information about the Plunierre Clan [before it was destroyed] if it would help at all. The population was probably greater than one might think. It really was like a small underground village and not just a couple families.

But that's awesome!! Kudos on all the hard work! If you need faces of the three survivors of Plunierre I can diddle around in the character creator a bit later too.

(08-07-2013, 08:47 AM)Teardrop Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-07-2013, 04:35 AM)Kyatai Wrote: [ -> ](ye gods I need to work on more of my Clan details.... You shame me, Meg, you really do.... )

Stop standing around handing out pie, and you just might find some time to write up your family tree

IKR?!

So very irresponsible...... *sigh*
I feel shame.

*offers izzy a really belated pie*
Welcome?

Whilst I am loving a lot of these ideas, and the chart that Twinflame created.

We need to remember that this is only player created lore and not everyone may want to play the styles of Duskwight we create, so just remember to keep an open mind for others who may have a totally whole different take on the concept for a Duskwight. *goes back to stalking the thread*

(08-07-2013, 01:40 PM)Kari Illderthane Wrote: [ -> ]Whilst I am loving a lot of these ideas, and the chart that Twinflame created.

We need to remember that this is only player created lore and not everyone may want to play the styles of Duskwight we create, so just remember to keep an open mind for others who may have a totally whole different take on the concept for a Duskwight. *goes back to stalking the thread*

Actually, I think its always been about taking a look at what is in the official lore, and basing our choices and concepts on what would be possible within it . That's why we pretty much posted everything written on Duskwights right from the outset, to get it all out in the open, and then most worked from there.

Is there something of a particular concern you've seen, Kari? Some trend or aspect of the conversation you're uncomfortable with? Besides our own families, which I think pretty much every character of any race has a reasonable expectation of control over, what are the "player lore" points you've seen ?

Oh no you have me totally misunderstood I love the lore that is coming out and don't find anything wrong with it at all. it does fit with the little knowledge we have been told. All I was doing was just giving a friendly reminder was all.

Kari does have a point here. While we can reasonably expect to have control over our own family and such, we do have that what we create could be yanked out by the roots as more lore comes down the pipe from SE. We know precious little at this point, but what we do know is.

1. Most Duskwights are bandits, mercenaries, and thieves. This is seen in both how NPCs talk about Duskwights, and how Duskwights are portrayed when they are encountered in the game. 

2. We have only ever encountered Duskwights that now live on the surface in the game.

3. We know that most of the Duskwight ruins we see in the game have been long abandoned, and even had enough time to be re-purposed over the years. There are even Duskwight NPCs that discuss the concept that the Duskwight lost their homelands and larger settlements long ago.

4. We know that Duskwights are reclusive and elusive by nature.

All the stuff that is coming out is great, don't get me wrong. I do think that a distinction needs to be made, though. All of this is lore and culture is player created, and not handed down to us from SE. Players should in no way feel obligated to have to conform to what is agreed on. In the end it could all be uprooted, and become lore broke later down the road.

I think I am going to ask a few Duskwight questions on the lore thread of the official forums. Hopefully get some things clarified from the devs in a fairly rapid fashion.

I'm of the mind to be flexible when it comes to adjusting personally created lore. Everyone is right in that we don't have a lot of detailed information from SE, but I don't personally have any problems with backtracking through Myavar's story to alter things if it comes up that my stuff conflicts with SE's stuff =3

I have zero problem with other people's lore, and if they don't know about this thread or want to use anything that has been posted here then that's fine too! If we gain anything from having vague information from SE it's the freedom to be creative with our stories! ^_^

Mind you... if I meet a DW in game named Drizzt (or any form of) that's an archer and is trying to pretend they're a Do'Urden Ima spin on my heel and bound the other way >.>

Aw, that's too bad, because I thought we were doing pretty good at just having a discussion of the lore, and not so much creating lore itself .

I guess maybe the interpretations of areas that could be played with in our character back stories due to explicit lack of official lore is where the trouble might fall, but the the pen of a developer would truly be mightier than any sword for a good many background concepts, should they merely write a line or two that conflicts with something someone wrote up in their background. Not just for Duskwights, but for all the various refugees and deserters and tribe forsakers and any of the other back stories that are depending on a lack of lore for support (quite the opposite of depending on detailed lore for support, which is kinda what we want as well...one way or the other, works for me )

I know I'd go back to the drawing board if SE said Duskwights weren't allowed to settle near Ul'dah, or for whatever reason, the crafting skills PCs have wouldn't expand to having Duskwight craftsmen within their society or the ability to trade with outside civilization (even then, in the short background story I wrote, I recognize Duskwight tradesmen probably would face some negotiations issues due to poor relations with others) ...hope I don't have to face that. Or, hope I get enough hard lore that I can modify my backstory if it goes against what is official