Hydaelyn Role-Players

(02-25-2014, 04:02 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: [ -> ]A wizard did it.

My bad.

(03-02-2014, 07:59 PM)TheWizard Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-25-2014, 04:02 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: [ -> ]A wizard did it.

My bad.

It's okay, I forgive you.

First of all sorry for my poor English. I don't have the skill to make a text so good like your in this foreign language. But I'll try to expose what I think about the Miqo'te society. My Credentials i'm licenciate in history (Brazillian) and study to get my bachelor degree in Social Sciences (Anthropology, Sociology and Politic).

I think your article is really good, but is not apply to a modern Miqo'te, maybe to a "Miqo'teus Primitivum", but not for the modern stat of the race.

First of all, because have a long history of contact with another races. Its will make a common sense along all the races of Hydaelyn, sure they will maintain they on culture, but is not a "pure" one.

The Seekers of the Sun.

I think the Seekers of the Sun don't kill the offspring for a defected nunh. Probably they don't kill the defected nunh, probably happen like what happen in the baboon society. The Defected baboon (nunh) still in the tribe( I don't know the collective of baboon in English) , but start to make less relevant works and stop to have the access to the best hunts, females and etc.

I guess the Tia have females too, not 5 to 10 like the Nunh but probably they still have access a one female or maybe two females. Its happens because the contact with another races, that have romance, conjugate and etc.

Probably the title of Nunh is used now and only for the "family" leader. Like in the ancient Athens who have Family (Father, mother, sons, slaves) > Phyle (A tribe, a group of families) > Deme (region) and the Polis. Using this concept probably the seekers organize in a society like this:

"The Polis" (The day, diurnal habits)
"The Phyle" ( The Tribe A',B,',X',Z'...)
"The Deme" (A region that one nunh is the leader of the place, like east Thalaran, black shroud, and etc.)
"The family" (A familiar core formed by a male(tia) and 1 to 2/3 females, and they sons).

I think don't have so much its kind of sexual, etc, etc tensions. Because I'm use more as base of my supposition the Arabian/African world.

The Keepers of the Moon

I think the society of Keeper is more like the society of the Elephants, where the females rule, having a leader (nunh? Don't know the title) and the males live in a nomadic/reclusive/no part of this society. I think this model only really work in a tribe of the keeper, not in a big city like Limsa and Ul'Dah. I guess, in part of the contact with the other cultures. The male have a part in the rising and the care take of the children, probably they only stay for a short time (like the first 4 years, to guaranteer the children will survive this decisive period) or maybe hes only stay to the children get in the adulthood (12 years).
In my opnion this therm promiscuity, is too harsh and too Christian for a fictional world. It is include the part of have lot of Miqo'te whores/dances, if you see something about the non Christianized(it is include Jewish and Muslin too) societies. Work as a whore is normal and not a CAPITAL SIN! (BEWARE THE FIRE OF THE HELL!)

Cross Breeding Between the Clans

Ooohh... Its happen! They say this don't happen only because is more easy to say that, to program a keeper with seekers features and etc. Because they still the same race! Just that.


Its only this I guess, again sorry for me poor English.

Ooooooh God the big words, scientific thought along with sociological, psychological and biological debate... I love it!

(07-20-2013, 02:26 PM)allgivenover Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2013, 01:50 PM)Isilme Wrote: [ -> ]As people have pointed out, some of this doesn't seem to apply, but... really, we're talking about tribal mechanics here, and the miqo'te of the cities and the adventurer miqo'te are no more tribal than people living in New York.

Aside from the fact that I wasn't able to find a single NPC Miqo'te without a tribal name in the ARR beta or the brief times I checked out 1.0, I agree with you, but the absence of Miqo'te with a non-Miqo'te name does support that idea that although city-Miqo'te may not follow tribal customs, they at least originated from them.

I think it's a mistake that SE doesn't seem to portray any member of any race with a name that doesn't follow naming conventions, but you expect this stuff to be written by designers and artists, not scientists, so it's not surprising that the lore seems poorly thought out and/or begging more questions than it answers.

Now, I'm not going to tell other Miqo'te RPers they're wrong for breaking away from naming conventions as everyone has different goals when it comes to what they want from RP, and at this point I'd be alienating myself from a good number of the community if I did~ additionally a lot of the veterans were really in a tough spot, as there was no lore to be had at all in 1.0 really. 

Callypgian did note that "You are free to use or disregard this information as you see fit when developing your own Miqo’te backstory," and admits that this is based on real world science and not official in any capacity. It's an interesting read nonetheless, and I find that a lot of Sae and mine's ideas about the sort of tribal life the Rakka twins came from match this reasoning.

What about the two Miqo'te by Highbridge? Even though they have Miqo'te FIRST names, their last names are completely something different, lol.

I'm pretty sure those are just nicknames, like some of the other NPCs that have them (Rabid Ratata comes to mind).

Oh this topic... I can't help but bump it in light of the Keeper lore we got today in 2.45 that pretty much confirmed Myxie's thinking about how Keepers work traditionally.

Quote so that you don't have to go back and read it again.

(07-20-2013, 05:10 AM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: [ -> ]Keepers of the Moon – Promiscuity

The mating structure of the Keepers of the Moon is much less covered in the lore.  About the only thing officially known is that it is a matriarchal structure, where the females hold positions of influence.  It is noted in their naming guide that “rarely do even the largest Keeper of the Moon families have more than two or three sons. This is not by choice. Nature merely sees to it that more females are born to this race.”  I have also seen it mentioned that male Keepers are highly nomadic.

Because of the gender gap in terms of numbers and no mention of a harem structure similar to that of the Seekers, it is highly likely that Keepers exhibit a promiscuous mating system.  This is similar to many bird species, and one of the major hallmarks of this type of system is the notion of female choice or sexual selection.  Females choose mates based on subjective criteria that serve no obvious survival benefit aside from attracting mates:  songs, plumage/coloration, mating dances, etc.  This is reinforced by the fact that the starting attributes of a Keeper character favor the mental attributes over the physical.

Thank you very much for taking the time to type up this most informative post.  I am a new player to the game and I finally was able to get onto Balmung immediately before the maintenance shut the game down last night.  My singular character on the server is a miqo'te, so this was very helpful to me in forming her sexual identity.

This thread is kinda old, but rather then make a whole new thread. I wanted to ask about Miqo'te physical Maturity. I see people RP Miqo'te that are young, and we have seen Miqo'te children now that look to be about 10 or 11. But I am wondering at what age does a Miqo'te start to develop physical for mating. I assumed it was 13-15 years of age where as Humans are around 14-17. But I know its different for every one, so how does this even work?

(12-21-2015, 06:47 AM)Kattoki Wrote: [ -> ]This thread is kinda old, but rather then make a whole new thread. I wanted to ask about Miqo'te physical Maturity. I see people RP Miqo'te that are young, and we have seen Miqo'te children now that look to be about 10 or 11. But I am wondering at what age does a Miqo'te start to develop physical for mating. I assumed it was 13-15 years of age where as Humans are around 14-17. But I know its different for every one, so how does this even work?

Everyone (races of men) ages at the same rate in Eorzea, but for elezen who stick in childhood/puberty a bit longer. That's all we know.

(07-20-2013, 09:16 AM)Clover Wrote: [ -> ]This was a very interesting read! I did find it useful.

We know we can't apply animal rules to sentient creatures, as it's been stated. However, Miqo'tes still experience emotions and rules that I, as a civilised human being, simply can't comprehend.

I believe Miqo'tes are a mix of sentient/civilised and primitive. Since I already know how the former works, reading about that kind of system in its most primitive form does help for me to try to find a middle point. Understanding where their system came from and why it is like that is important to understand the characters and their views.

As for my Miqo'te, I was having trouble because I didn't want her to become a mother or to have had any sort of experiences with males so far. I've decided that she views breeding as some sort of society duty, one she'll have to fulfill when her mother tells her to. She's not eager for it because she knows she won't be able to go adventuring much once she has to start raising children, but she'll accept her role because that's what most female Miqo'tes seem to do. I'd never accept such a thing as a human being, but my Miqo'te is obviously not me, and I simply want to understand her better.

Yes, you would.

If you were raised in a culture where your sexuality was not your decision (Orthodox Judaism for example) you would either gladly accept your duty to your family, or risk losing everything by challenging their decision. A Miqote's mating requirements are not far off from the arranged marriage structures present in many societies today.

When I was little, I was taken to all kinds of play dates with a girl 2 years younger than me because our parents planned on having us establish a relationship through our lives and then one day marry. That's one of the ways Southern families arrange marriages. Unfortunately our parents had a falling out and the union was canceled (which is good because when puberty hit, it turned out I'm very gay) but I never questioned the idea that one day I was supposed to marry that girl. It was just a fact. My grandparents and great grandparents all had arranged marriages, and so would my mother have had she not been the rebel of the family and shut herself out of familial traditions for most of her life. Southerners are a little more like Miqote than flat arranged marriages in that we have things like Cotillions where all the young people are brought together in an oohlala fancy schmancy setting and sort of matched by our mothers.

"Wouldn't little Timmy and Amanda make a lovely pair? They'll have a beautiful family if they can get along."

Ultimately, these couples tend to fall in love or at least deep caring with time, and stay together for the rest of their lives.

Wasn't that post like... 2 years old?

Ah anyway, it makes me think...

I think we might also have to temper a bit the fact that mi'qote females are "breeding machines". Not that anyone is saying that of course. But I think proportionally they maybe mate even less than hyur or us IRL...

Mathematically, if you have even just 1 male for 4 females (which seems to be even wider a gap here right?), that means if males start to mate with every female all the time, your population will grow like rabbits and they would already have taken over the world... Unless they have ludicrous casualty rates. 

That's also why I guess for Seekers, the nuhn being the only one allowed to do so probably tempers that a lot. 

As for Keepers, wandering males not being constantly around families that are primarily female sororities, it probably also limits that seriously as well. I like that idea since it makes the arrival of a (rare) male a certain opportunity for a keeper family and can create a lot of interesting cultural ceremonies or special things to happen during that time.

Of course on the other hand there can also be the argument that their culture focus a lot more on that particular aspect since they need males, and males are rare, so they would do it even more to compensate...?

I think those can be valid questions, and maybe vary greatly from clan to clan?

Maybe i'm wrong though...

(12-21-2015, 06:47 AM)Kattoki Wrote: [ -> ]This thread is kinda old, but rather then make a whole new thread. I wanted to ask about Miqo'te physical Maturity. I see people RP Miqo'te that are young, and we have seen Miqo'te children now that look to be about 10 or 11. But I am wondering at what age does a Miqo'te start to develop physical for mating. I assumed it was 13-15 years of age where as Humans are around 14-17. But I know its different for every one, so how does this even work?

I imagine that they enter puberty at around the same time as the average Hyur.  But that doesn't necessarily mean they are ready for mating at those ages, just capable of it.

I'm more curious about how long it takes for the tail to be fully grown and if that's ever used as a sign of maturity since Miqo'te children have been established as having stumpy tails.

Here we have the validity of OP's rational, deductive reasoning still being vindicated years later, despite all the resistance.

OMIGOSH!  Actual Keeper lore!
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