Hydaelyn Role-Players

(08-25-2013, 06:21 PM)thealmightypoe Wrote: [ -> ]You know, I wrote out a huge response to this, but then I reread your post. 

I'm sorry you can't get into gilg. I'm sorry you're going to have to form a small coalition of players who don't want to wait for gilg to open up in order to start RPing early, it's a ton of work.

However, stop whining. Just do what you got to do.

Was this really necessary?  Why is it that when someone offers up a complaint or concern, people like you feel it necessary to categorize it as whining?  Do you have any idea how condescending and dismissive you just came across?

I'm not even sure you actually read her posts, if all you got out of it was that she was whining.

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(08-25-2013, 06:43 PM)thealmightypoe Wrote: [ -> ]Hm...Maybe I read it wrong. But you still misunderstand what I mean.

I wasn't being snide. You have two choices: create a new RP community to start afresh in a new server (or possibly transfer) or wait it out. If you wait it out a few days (possibly a week) the server issues should be fixed a bit(due to launch).

If you weren't intentionally being condescending, snide, and rude, you might want to reword your post.

(08-25-2013, 06:12 PM)Bluefear Wrote: [ -> ]I would suggest a server with a lower population than Behemoth. I feel by Tuesday (the day the game actually launches) Behemoth will be no better off than Gilgamesh and Balmung.

As for the debate about whether or not to add a third RP server--I don't see why not? It seems like most of the people who are able to login on Gilgamesh/Balmung are against it, but then again, they are able to login. By suggesting a third server you are allowing people who are unable to get on Gilgamesh/Balmung a chance at organization. If you do not give them this opportunity then all of those locked out are just going to randomly select a server and be scattered more than necessary.

I'm not saying this is going to happen, but you do realize that Gilgamesh/Balmung might not be available for 30 days or more?

...and that is why I suggested Behemoth, there are roleplayers there. I can log into Gilgamesh just fine but my friends can not. I moved to this game to play with my friends. And now the fact remains that they will not be increasing the server limit any time soon. There was a post from Yoshi P stating as much. (I will have to find it) Because that post was my main reason for even considering moving. 

And to all the people who saying wait, well obviously you don't realize that there are people who have been waiting since last weekend. And still can't get onto the servers they wish to move to. While I hear what is being said about patience I also understand the frustration of staring at the refresh button for 3 hours plus and getting no where.

To everyone considering splintering the already small community...again:

You are going to have to deal with these server issues no matter what NA/EU server you go to. If you don't want to deal with them you have to roll JP. If you don't want to roll JP you just have to wait around to get on like the rest of us. This early access period feels like its going to be more of a stress test than an actual head start. 

There is a small number of my guild members who are going on JP servers just for fun until things clear up. There was a suggestion here written by someone that if you want to RP you should do the same temporarily until servers stabilize and I second this. I know lots of people are getting impatient and just want to play the game, as do I, but nothing good will come with trying to pull more RPers from the already smaller secondary server to make a much smaller third server, you are only doing more harm to your own RP if you take this route. 

There was a thread about Gilgamesh moving servers due to concerns of server overcrowding, but it was brought up too late and the interest in it seemed very low. There are lots of RPers who have already settled on Gilgamesh, have logged in, leveled, had fun, and more than likely are not willing to delete their progress and start over. There probably will be a paid server transfer option in the future as they had one with XI, but asking over 100+ people to pay an extra $15-$20 to transfer servers is probably asking too much. 

Now lets all hold hates and pray to the Twelve so that they will grant us entrance into the world. 

(08-25-2013, 06:54 PM)Isis Wrote: [ -> ] there are people who have been waiting since last weekend. And still can't get onto the servers they wish to move to. 

....Just going to emphasize this with a repost

(08-25-2013, 04:46 PM)belderiver Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-25-2013, 04:22 PM)Bloodwillow Wrote: [ -> ]And my alternative option still stands ...

http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread....0#pid51430

Quote:Well all servers are being slammed with a low pop cap to test the DF ....

There is nothing wrong with saying "Hey wanna just meet on another server and RP until we can make out people on Balmung or Gilgamesh?"

You can save your character appearance, so that is already a few saved steps for when you make it on Bal or Gil. Then when they come back up, make your char and then continue your RP

I guess for me though, RPing has nothing to do with levels.  I enjoy RPing as much at level 1 here as I do on my level 95 on EQ2.  The only exception is the places you can RP in.  That's it.

Just my 2 cactaurs 

This is only a viable solution for people who don't mind having a separate character for RPing, with the knowledge that their time will be split, and that character's mobility and physical presentation will be very limited due to mechanical restrictions.

In other words, it's not a very good solution except for a small subset of the population.

Then I'm sorry for suggesting it ... /sigh

And yes I haven't been on more than and hour TOTAL this entire P4/EA.  I won't leave Gil because I fell in love with Driftwood Coast. I have a character on Balmung but the entire time I could stay on there it was quiet. No RP or anything so I didn't know what was going on and it was wieeeeeerd. Gil was lively for that hour or so.

Honestly, if you all want to move RP to another server, then do it.  Why do you need this forum's blessing?  It already states in http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=2633

Quote:Other Servers
Although we host the communities on the Balmung and Gilgamesh servers, we do support and welcome other servers out there.
If you would like your site included on our list, drop us a line!

People have already given suggestions ... look through them and make a choice.  Overall it's how you personally enjoy the game.

(08-25-2013, 06:55 PM)LandStander Wrote: [ -> ]There are lots of RPers who have already settled on Gilgamesh, have logged in, leveled, had fun, and more than likely are not willing to delete their progress and start over. There probably will be a paid server transfer option in the future as they had one with XI, but asking over 100+ people to pay an extra $15-$20 to transfer servers is probably asking too much. 

And yet you are asking a similar number of people to either not play at all or to do just that because they can't get onto Gilgamesh?

I can understand not wanting to move, but naming a third server for people who can't get on to Gilgamesh to go to won't splinter the community any more than not doing so. It can't splinter the community at all, at present, because the parts of the community it would splinter (the ones who can't get onto Gilgamesh or who don't want to when there are other people who can't) cannot actually be part of the community right now.

(08-25-2013, 06:55 PM)LandStander Wrote: [ -> ]To everyone considering splintering the already small community...again:

You are going to have to deal with these server issues no matter what NA/EU server you go to. If you don't want to deal with them you have to roll JP. If you don't want to roll JP you just have to wait around to get on like the rest of us. This early access period feels like its going to be more of a stress test than an actual head start. 

There is a small number of my guild members who are going on JP servers just for fun until things clear up. There was a suggestion here written by someone that if you want to RP you should do the same temporarily until servers stabilize and I second this. I know lots of people are getting impatient and just want to play the game, as do I, but nothing good will come with trying to pull more RPers from the already smaller secondary server to make a much smaller third server, you are only doing more harm to your own RP if you take this route. 

There was a thread about Gilgamesh moving servers due to concerns of server overcrowding, but it was brought up too late and the interest in it seemed very low. There are lots of RPers who have already settled on Gilgamesh, have logged in, leveled, had fun, and more than likely are not willing to delete their progress and start over. There probably will be a paid server transfer option in the future as they had one with XI, but asking over 100+ people to pay an extra $15-$20 to transfer servers is probably asking too much. 

Now lets all hold hates and pray to the Twelve so that they will grant us entrance into the world. 

 This entire post just really makes it seem like you've ignored every point brought up in this thread, especially regarding the already splintering community of roleplayers who cannot get in.

(08-25-2013, 05:23 PM)Quetzac Wrote: [ -> ]It'll be best if the HRC doesn't name a third server for RP, but, you don't need their blessing. *Reaches down and yanks a soiled cloth from under a sleeping dog* See this here, its a mantle of leadership. *Quetzac holds it at arms length* Any one of you are more than welcome to take it upon yourself. The HRC allows for Linkshells on other servers on this site. Kay? If I'd wear this thing I think I'd look at those Linkshells already advertising and take those crazy enough to follow me over to their group.

See above.  You guys need to gather together and get ideas about where you want to go.  Take a poll, form a linkshell on the forums and/or form a Skype channel.

Make the decision that is best for all you.  Good luck!

Before anyone calls me out, I think it has been well established that I have always desired that we all go to Balmung.  It became clear during those days when the legacy v. non-legacy came up that it was not going to happen.

This is a game, people want to play the game the way they want to.  See Isis's post about wanting to play with her friends.

The idea to 'wait it out' is the argument that was made to those whose were against legacy servers.  Balmung people said, 'hey give it six weeks, you'll have people at 50 all over the place.'  Some people said, 'no we want to start fresh and create a new community.'  Now you have people who have been denied access to the game, who are fresh and new, and will not be when they are able to get it.

Try seeing it from their side.  There are even people on here willing to toss their characters to start a new.  Hey, I wasn't willing to do that with my legacy character.  That is saying a lot!  Respect that, please.

The best thing to do now is honor the requests of your fellow community members and see that just like before, no matter how much we talk about, we are not gonna change people's minds.  It is best to support them as a whole community and present them with options to help them make it work for themselves. 

This is the same that was done for those going to Gilgamesh.  I hope everyone will consider that.

Be well to all of you.

Thank you.

I am not saying not to play at all. I am just giving you a warning. I am not sure if you were around when the Gilgamesh server was choose, but it was a giant storm of hate and arguments and its best to keep another beast like that tamed. The RPC was originally designed to keep the RP community under one server and it broke its rule when openly supporting Gilgamesh because of people not wanting to play with 1.0 characters. I highly doubt that they would put themselves in that position again and I also don't think they should. 

Edit: Anyone and everyone is free to get the ball rolling about what server you want to start a third community on. No one is stopping you from doing that. I was just offering my advice, that is all. You'll be able to log in eventually. There are lots of people locked out on Balmung as well so you are not going through this alone.

(08-25-2013, 07:20 PM)LandStander Wrote: [ -> ]Edit: Anyone and everyone is free to get the ball rolling about what server you want to start a third community on. No one is stopping you from doing that. I was just offering my advice, that is all. You'll be able to log in eventually. There are lots of people locked out on Balmung as well so you are not going through this alone.

Exactly, I'm on Balmung and I haven't been able to get on at all today. I've got a number of people to invite to my LS and I haven't been able to get on. But MMOs are like this, there are always server concerns. I do not think that splitting the community again would be wise. We all know that MMOs are going to be like this, every MMO has these issues if they are a popular MMO launch. 

I don't think what you have said is rude, wrong or "not paying attention". I think that you made very good points and I agree with them. It is unfortunate, and this is coming from someone who can't get in- but it is what it is at this point. The servers will be unlocked in time. We just have to be patient.


EDIT: This isn't directed at LandStander, but, I think people need to understand that sniping and attacking others on a forum, especially a forum that is not official forums really does no one good. Lets not get upset at our fellow rpers. Go out for a bit, play another game, watch something; I know we're all anxious to get on but we should try not to get too upset with our own community.

Ok... so there is a pretty large outcry and I feel for good reason.  I want people to be able to play on Balmung or Gilgamesh.  The communities have been awesome.

I can't have what I want and I know that if I were on the outside right now I'd be fighting for a place to set up shop too.  We can't create a poll on this thread but when you make a new topic you can set up a vote.  (We don't have to be a moderator to do so I believe.)

Why not make a poll showing the moderators just how bad this situation is?  HOPEFULLY something will come from it but at the very least doing so will show a numerical value of just how bad the situation is.  It might also help the player base who can't get in to help identify who is being left out.  That way if the moderators still feel they should keep it at two servers, those who are unable to create characters can come together and form their own world group.

The linkshell section does have an "Other" tab to place your group.  So you can still use the site to recruit, form meetings, and let people know that other options do in fact exist.

There is some justified grumpiness about this situation, but we don't control the server populations.  Telling people who may have been waiting for this game for months to years to wait even longer...

It doesn't fix the problem.

To clarify, the RPC will not now or ever support a third Rp server (unless SE themselves designate it). I understand this may not be what some want to hear. But the RPC has to consider long term consequences over the short term ones. This decision is final, whether you agree or disagree. Sorry. I understand this is frustrating, but know that the problem exists with ALL NA/EU servers. I can't even login to the game myself right now and have created a temp character on a JP server just to run around, so I understand people are frustrated. But again...long-term consequences > short-term consequences.

That being said, there's nothing stopping those locked out from uniting amongst themselves for either a temporary or permanent solution. But that ball is in their court, not mine or the mods or anyone else's. Just be forewarned that the RPC will not itself strongly advocate other servers going forward beyond Balmung and Gilgamesh.

(08-25-2013, 07:32 PM)Brave Wrote: [ -> ]Ok... so there is a pretty large outcry and I feel for good reason.  I want people to be able to play on Balmung or Gilgamesh.  The communities have been awesome.

I can't have what I want and I know that if I were on the outside right now I'd be fighting for a place to set up shop too.  We can't create a poll on this thread but when you make a new topic you can set up a vote.  (We don't have to be a moderator to do so I believe.)

Why not make a poll showing the moderators just how bad this situation is?  HOPEFULLY something will come from it but at the very least doing so will show a numerical value of just how bad the situation is.  It might also help the player base who can't get in to help identify who is being left out.  That way if the moderators still feel they should keep it at two servers, those who are unable to create characters can come together and form their own world group.

The linkshell section does have an "Other" tab to place your group.  So you can still use the site to recruit, form meetings, and let people know that other options do in fact exist.

There is some justified grumpiness about this situation, but we don't control the server populations.  Telling people who may have been waiting for this game for months to years to wait even longer...

It doesn't fix the problem.

Currently in the process of tallying up which servers have been locked to character creation the most and attempting to narrow down the possibilities.

Quote:Login Limitation After Emergency Maintenance (Aug. 25): Follow-up 3

We have confirmed that the issues on the North American/European data center Worlds have resurfaced. Therefore, we have placed a severe login restriction in order to stabilize the servers. 

While you may continue to have a difficult time logging into the game, please note that the issue is being addressed, and new updates will follow as additional information becomes available.

We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience that this is causing everyone for an extended period, but we would like to ask for your continued cooperation to make this a stable environment.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/67403-NA-Login-Limitation-After-Emergency-Maintenance-%28Aug.-25%29?p=1065767#post1065767

This is happening on all servers regardless, unless you're on JP. Incase there are those who haven't seen the thread, wanted to link it here.

I love how they keep "sincerely apologizing" for the "inconveniences" that may have happened. Really though, just do it, Square. Saying sorry wouldn't bring back the servers, ya know. :/

I'm usually calm about this, and I am, really, but what is the point of early access if I... don't have access?