Category A: You, OOCLY
 1. Are there any any races you particularly love the opposite (or same) gender of? The models, the history, the lore, anything.
I adore Roegadyn females... In opposite to the old stereotype tall male/small female, i like tall woman. Tall and strong they may be. :3 And i dont mind if they are tough and rough, as long as its not outright mean.
Uhm... yeah... thats a personal preference tho... i might have drifted away here... :SÂ
Thats... thats just a fondness tho. All women are lovable. ^^
 2. How do you view interracial couples in -game-? Specifically, let's not get into a debate about whether or not it's 'gross' to you as a person or if there are too many people doing it.
i'm fairly tolerant or liberal. To each their own... whatever floats your boat... etc. etc.
I feel awkward when i see a lalafell/any-other-race pairing... but then again people tell me "you dont need to have old-school sex in every relationship". Also there's other ways too... nuff said.
 3. Do your OOC feelings towards a particular race make you more open or affect what your character is looking for when they're either flirting around, pursuing romance, or just, in general, acting differently towards those individuals.
Not really. Seperating IC and OC comes into play here. Also i dont dislike any race in particular. But i admit, i dont let my character flirt with other races, i do choose that decision for him. Others are free to do it, i dont have to myself, i like to keep to same race. In all other aspects, the race of other RPers wont influence my behaviour.
 Category B: Your character
 1. Does your character seek friends or partners based predominantly on race?
For friends he is not picky, race doesnt matter. He does only romance in his own race tho (partly explained above). Then again, he wouldnt care if she's seeker or keeper. Thats just like he is, same race yes, other races he'd say "thanks, but... no thanks." Most probably. I think. He shares my own likings, so maybe he'd fall for a roe...
if he wasnt taken.
 2. How does your character view interracial pairings and are their feelings different from your own?
Pretty much same like me. He's a liberal, people can do what they want. As long as it's legal. A Lalafell has to know good enough herself if its worth it to be with a roegadyn. ^^
So far, I'm exceptionally please with all of these responses! Thank you all so much for replying, it's giving me a lot of different view points to mull over.
I love it.
I LOVE IT!
I think Duskwight elves are a really cool concept, like Drow but without the shitty pseudo-S&M "matriarchy" (that just happens to be made up of sexually appealing women to men...), but I don't really have an 'attraction' to any of the in game races. Any romance that comes up IC is a result of the player making it interesting and all.
I view it as a perfectly valid thing IC, as long as the lore of 'no half-breeds' is stuck to. If your Human wants to get married to a Miqo'te that's cool, from what I understand all the major cultures are down with that as a concept so you wouldn't be some silly special snowflaker. I do get a little 'wtf' at Lala/anyone else relationships if only because of...logistic reasons...
For friends none of my characters care about race, Drunken Comet tends to drift to other Roes if only because she feels like they 'get' her better, but she doesn't turn away any races. For relations they're about the same way, Zutoto is a bit sheltered due to her upbringing so she's not one to jump into the 'climbing' jokes some other Lalas make about other races but again, she doesn't DISLIKE any race.
Most all of characters are all fairly down with interracial pairings, my Miqo'te has some issues with cross cultures stuff due to his own history but he'd never discourage anyone from that stuff, just maybe a few snide remarks about how they should be glad they can't have a kid or whatever.
Comet, though, kinda looks down on Hellguard who go after relationships with non-Hellguard, if only because in her mind the guards are such a small culture they need MORE kids to man the volcanoes and such and learn the traditions and a cross species relationship isn't going to get that. She's not fanatic about it but maybe a few semi-private comments about how they'd do better 'thinking of their duty' or some such. Of course this is a bit of a shitty idea since her homeland is rather hurting for resources and she herself isn't exactly spending her life staring at magma craters, so I'd OOCly expect her to get called out on that shit.
(09-12-2013, 07:40 PM)shotgunbadger Wrote: [ -> ]I think Duskwight elves are a really cool concept, like Drow but without the shitty pseudo-S&M "matriarchy" (that just happens to be made up of sexually appealing women to men...), but I don't really have an 'attraction' to any of the in game races. Any romance that comes up IC is a result of the player making it interesting and all.
I view it as a perfectly valid thing IC, as long as the lore of 'no half-breeds' is stuck to. If your Human wants to get married to a Miqo'te that's cool, from what I understand all the major cultures are down with that as a concept so you wouldn't be some silly special snowflaker. I do get a little 'wtf' at Lala/anyone else relationships if only because of...logistic reasons...
For friends none of my characters care about race, Drunken Comet tends to drift to other Roes if only because she feels like they 'get' her better, but she doesn't turn away any races. For relations they're about the same way, Zutoto is a bit sheltered due to her upbringing so she's not one to jump into the 'climbing' jokes some other Lalas make about other races but again, she doesn't DISLIKE any race.
Most all of characters are all fairly down with interracial pairings, my Miqo'te has some issues with cross cultures stuff due to his own history but he'd never discourage anyone from that stuff, just maybe a few snide remarks about how they should be glad they can't have a kid or whatever.
Comet, though, kinda looks down on Hellguard who go after relationships with non-Hellguard, if only because in her mind the guards are such a small culture they need MORE kids to man the volcanoes and such and learn the traditions and a cross species relationship isn't going to get that. She's not fanatic about it but maybe a few semi-private comments about how they'd do better 'thinking of their duty' or some such. Of course this is a bit of a shitty idea since her homeland is rather hurting for resources and she herself isn't exactly spending her life staring at magma craters, so I'd OOCly expect her to get called out on that shit.
 You seem to favor the word 'shit'. I like how we all go down our list and we get to Lalafell and go '...'. 'WE DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND YOU, OUR ADORABLE LALAS!'
1) Female Roe are badass, they may be huge and butch but they have such an awesome warrior woman vibe to them and a certain exotic look.
Miqo'te can either be kitten cute or pull off a pretty cool savage feel, and I do like them a lot, but I
am a cat person.
2) I don't have a problem with it, I mean romance or relationships doesn't necessarily equal sex, it can be innocent. Or not, but each to their own, if I get uncomfortable with it I could always walk away
3) I try not to, because it's important to keep IC and OOC separate, but of course they're still your creation, and every creation has a hint of their owner. I think it's just important to think about these things and to be consistent.
A) Logan is a bit of a loner, he doesn't seek anyone as he's just so focused on his work. Though when it does come to interacting with other races, Logan does prefer a fellow Hyur or Miqo'te, though he's attracted to people he respects and admires, so it wouldn't be impossible for him to fall for a particularly fine Roe or Elezen. Not Lalafell though, he finds them creepy (totally not an OOC reason <_<; )
B) I doubt he even notices. Logan is not a peoples person.
Category A: You, OOCLY
 1. Are there any any races you particularly love the opposite (or same) gender of? The models, the history, the lore, anything.
Even though I like all the character models, I really love Male Miqo'te, for some reason their ears seem more animated than female's, which make their emotes feel more emotional and "real". I also love their sitting pose. Miqo'te also appeal to me lore-wise, it made planning Otte's backstory and how he ties into the tribal aspect of Miqo'te lore a lot more interesting.
 2. How do you view interracial couples in -game-? Specifically, let's not get into a debate about whether or not it's 'gross' to you as a person or if there are too many people doing it.
Even when I do find an idea of Lalafel/any other race -couples a little weird because of the huge size difference, I don't mind interracial couples per se. People do what they want and if they find it fun, what am I to judge?
 3. Do your OOC feelings towards a particular race make you more open or affect what your character is looking for when they're either flirting around, pursuing romance, or just, in general, acting differently towards those individuals.
Not really, for example I like Miqo'te males, but would never see my Roe lady flirting with them, or being attracted to them in general. My characters have their own preferences, that don't have much to do with my own.
 Category B: Your character
 1. Does your character seek friends or partners based predominantly on race?
If person is persistant and friendly enough, Otte would most likely befriend anyone, not depending on their race. He is a little wary when meeting new people, but even more so when the person is Miqo'te (due to personal reasons). He also finds Roe and Highlanders very intimidating, thanks to their size.
 2. How does your character view interracial pairings and are their feelings different from your own?
Otte thinks he is quite open-minded, but he would consider Miqo'te romancing someone outside their race odd, mostly because of cultural reasons. Especially so if the Miqo'te happens to be male. On other kind of couples he would just find it curious and something worth researching about.
(09-12-2013, 08:06 PM)Siobhain Wrote: [ -> ]Â You seem to favor the word 'shit'. I like how we all go down our list and we get to Lalafell and go '...'. 'WE DON'T MEAN TO OFFEND YOU, OUR ADORABLE LALAS!'
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Category A: You, OOCLY
1. Are there any any races you particularly love the opposite (or same) gender of? The models, the history, the lore, anything.
Not really. They all have their merits and detractors.
2. How do you view interracial couples in -game-? Specifically, let's not get into a debate about whether or not it's 'gross' to you as a person or if there are too many people doing it.
I think it's something that shouldn't be jumped into too lightly. If we just consider humanity for a second, interracial couples happen with some frequency, but still, the vast majority of couples are between people of the same race. And this is between human beings with little more different between them than shades of skin colour.
When you then consider that the races in FFXIV are literally biologically different, you have to assume that this occurs even less frequently. Then we can also factor in that Eorzea is just one continent, and not an entire world of 7 billion people.
The maths just don't add up to create a situation where it wouldn't be immersion breaking to pretend like interracial relationships are commonplace and no big deal at all.
Does it happen? Of course it does. But it's probably naïve to think that you shouldn't expect strange looks and judgemental questions in character.
3. Do your OOC feelings towards a particular race make you more open or affect what your character is looking for when they're either flirting around, pursuing romance, or just, in general, acting differently towards those individuals.
No, I try to keep it in character.
Category B: Your character
1. Does your character seek friends or partners based predominantly on race?
I haven't decided whether or not I'm going to pursue any romantic roleplay. But I know that as a male seeker, attracting females will be a strong motivation for my character, and it will be entirely confined to females within his race.
Because that's how I view his particular motivation in this case. His primary interest in romance is as a means of performing his duty and strengthening his tribe. If he were to find love in the process, he wouldn't reject it, but that's not a primary motivator.
As for friends? No. He doesn't see any reason why he couldn't be friends with any other race. He does find it difficult to take Lalafell seriously, as he doesn't view them as equals. And he is extremely wary of male Roegadyn, because they're huge, and he views them as potential threats. He wouldn't avoid them, but he will keep just out of arm's reach, just in case.
 2. How does your character view interracial pairings and are their feelings different from your own?
So, he is entirely against interracial parings for Miqo'te. He couldn't care less what the other races are doing. But for a Miqo'te to actually enter into a relationship with another race, (as opposed to just recreational sex as a release for pent up urges) is something he considers to be equivalent to betraying your race. Worse for a male than a female, granted, but still not acceptable either way. He is all about the tribe, so he feels that any love that doesn't benefit the tribe is misplaced and morally reprehensible.
So yeah, they're totally different from my own feelings on the matter.
(09-13-2013, 12:06 PM)Vinter Wrote: [ -> ]When you then consider that the races in FFXIV are literally biologically different, you have to assume that this occurs even less frequently. Then we can also factor in that Eorzea is just one continent, and not an entire world of 7 billion people.
The maths just don't add up to create a situation where it wouldn't be immersion breaking to pretend like interracial relationships are commonplace and no big deal at all.
Does it happen? Of course it does. But it's probably naïve to think that you shouldn't expect strange looks and judgemental questions in character.
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So yeah, they're totally different from my own feelings on the matter.
 On the first point, while I have to agree with you, they -are- biologically different and that should detract a bit from most interracial marriages-- but I think that that, alone, might be some of the appeal to both males and females of different races. The chances that you can cross breed a Roegadyn with an Elezen, for example, are slim to none and for those people who don't want offspring but do want that level of companionship, they have that option.
 Also, in game, and maybe it depends largely on the area, interracial relationships do seem somewhat common. I've seen a number of pairs: Thancred with a Miqo'te I think and an Elezen, an engaged pair of a male Roegadyn and a Midlander Hyur, not to mention all those prostitution things from another thread, random NPCs flirting-- it doesn't seem abnormal here. I believe the majority of people would prefer their own races but at the same time I don't think, for whatever reason, that most of the city-states consider interracial pairs as unexpected. I think they've been living amongst each other for far too long.
You do have a good, traditional thing going on with your character with him keeping to females of his kind, which I think is brilliant. I hope plenty of characters share his feelings because while I can appreciate plenty of thought going into how a character chooses friends or mates, I'd also like to see what might be considered 'normal' or 'traditional' portrayed equally if not more.
I'm not really sure I"m comfortable talking biology in a setting made up almost entirely of magical crystals and lifestream goo. I mean we are talking about a setting that is seems like a creationists fever dream. There is literally a crystal that speaks to each character and says "I am Hydaelyn." Biology as we know it might not mean much in Eorzea.
Biology is always there, because it's simply the science about how bodys are built. Even the corpses of eorzeans are structured somehow, with bones, muscles, blood, nerves...
When visible gods come into play, i think its better to speak of "intelligent design" than "creationism" :3
They are not made of magical goo. There is still some evolution etc. (for example seeker/keeper differences...)
edit: on second thought, i admit that we dont know how and to what degree the biology of eorzeans corpses might be different to ours. ^^ Maybe they have a TNA (Tri-Nucleotid-Aminothingy) which is compatible throughout the races! Or some other silly stuff. ^^
(09-13-2013, 12:47 PM)Dogberry Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not really sure I"m comfortable talking biology in a setting made up almost entirely of magical crystals and lifestream goo. I mean we are talking about a setting that is seems like a creationists fever dream. There is literally a crystal that speaks to each character and says "I am Hydaelyn." Biology as we know it might not mean much in Eorzea.
 So far as I know, there aren't any half Hyur half Miqo'te NPCs or any mention of cross-race products. There -is- mention of it in games where it exists. I think that sort of denotes that there probably isn't much in the way of interracial breeding (or at least successfully having children)-- I mean, anywhere they talk of breeding, biology will come into play. Unless they're having babies in pods or they're made of clay and brought to life.
 It might not mean much but if it meant nothing they wouldn't mention anything in regards to children even existing. That's probably one of the things they actually fully related to what we -do- understand of biology (at least the reproductive/attraction portions of it because that's relevant to the topic atm) now if only because they probably didn't want to think too hard on it.
What we probably don't know is just how different the other races are from Hyur and from each other. If they can't interbreed at all then they're entirely, genetically different creatures. At that point, the only things that come into play with interbreed attraction is 1. Physical characteristics that individuals have been raised to find attractive being found more often in other races 2. Love/sentiment 3. A desire to not reproduce so you'll settle for someone you won't risk will give you a litter.
I guess, but if there's like, a science to things that are always there, I've got some bigger burning questions here, like, how come I can create a spectral buster sword and stab the personification of the element of fire in the face with it? Is that magic or science? Or both? Where does the magic end and the science begin? I guess my argument is, science isn't really going to be a driving force in the setting for a game called "Final Fantasy", even though the title lies because there's well over 14 of these things.
If "intelligent design" is the buzzword here, why couldn't the playable races be "intelligently designed" to want to bone each other? Now if we're talking offspring, I really don't know. But the idea behind pheremones and attraction get thrown completely out of the window to me when I see the laws of nature broken all the time for the most mundane things. I'm looking at you, aerodynamics.
Quote:edit: on second thought, i admit that we dont know how and to what degree the biology of eorzeans corpses might be different to ours. ^^ Maybe they have a TNA (Tri-Nucleotid-Aminothingy) which is compatible throughout the races! Or some other silly stuff. ^^
Or it could be lifestream goo.
Lost is totally not a pod baby out to destroy the world and steal underpants.Â
I'm not sure about cross-breeding, but, interspecies romance? Quite fine, possible. And of course the attraction is and can be there.
(09-13-2013, 01:20 PM)Lost River Wrote: [ -> ]Lost is totally not a pod baby out to destroy the world and steal underpants.Â
I'm not sure about cross-breeding, but, interspecies romance? Quite fine, possible. And of course the attraction is and can be there.
I like the cut of your jib. What about some same-species romance*, bb?
*"Romance" may or may not include in this context, a candlelit dinner for two consisting of fish sticks and gatorade of a flavor of your choice, a batch of "magic" chocolate chip cookies, and a viewing of Robocop 2, which we will ignore for heavy petting and then I'll probably call you like three weeks later.