Hydaelyn Role-Players

Low pop servers have terrible economies and no progression. It was talked about before the vote ever went up that Low pop servers were not the desirable outcome from a gameplay stand point, and they arent

Also, Lindblum is probably going down because it's going down and can't handle the stress. Not because it's locking anyone out. Even in closed Beta no server locked down, even during the "Make everyone roll on Kefka" debacle.

Verence Wrote:

Asyria Wrote:The other thing I'd like to say is that you seem to make plenty of generalizations, saying that the kind of people who go there and like this and like that, but at the same time you refuse to define yourself by what you do. Why then, define others by what they do? Kind of a contradiction there that makes me hesitant to agree with your otherwise valid points.

Hm. At first blush, I found myself agreeing with you, but upon further thought... no, I don't really agree. I made no statements as to the tendencies or personalities of RPers. In fact, if anything, I argued against us developing such a definite self-image! Had I made general statements about the RP community, there'd be a clear parallel, but as I haven't... There's no real basis of comparison upon which a contradiction could be founded. I feel that my points remain undiminished.

No no, I'm not saying you made statements as to the tendencies of personalities of RPers.. I'm saying you did so for -other- people. Namely, 4channers, 3rd paragraph (can you believe I had to go back like 4-5 pages to find that? ). You defined their personality types from them being 4channers yet you do not define yourself (or any of us) from being RPers. That's the part I have trouble with.

Aveline Wrote:Just so you guys know... pretty sure those chocobos only reflect # of people logged in. All during closed beta, chocobos changed wildly depending on the time of day. Shadowlord could have 3 chocobos at peak times and 1 chocobo at others. I don't think people were quitting Shadowlord for 12 hours each day and then rerolling.

Those chocobos only tell us how many people are currently logged in at that moment, not how many people are rolling on the server, which is why every 30 minutes or so, Lindblum goes down and we can't make characters (yes it has been happening off and on all day, not just once or twice).

^ This.

When it really comes down to it, I think ppl should just follow their heart and see where that leaves us. I'm sure the end result will be good for us either way.

In a crafting based economy a low pop server will kill a community. No one to craft stuff, no gear, no progression, no life on server. We may want to "be alone" but we are playing a game here.

ArmachiA Wrote:In a crafting based economy a low pop server will kill a community. No one to craft stuff, no gear, no progression, no life on server. We may want to "be alone" but we are playing a game here.

Since you may have missed this earlier:

ArmachiA Wrote:Besaid is looking like it's going to be Low Pop, something I thought we wanted to avoid?

Didn't you just claim that our numbers would bring a low pop server up to medium-high? I thought it was a non-issue.

Ah yes.

ArmachiA Wrote:This sticks Lindy as a medium population server. Also you do realize we're helping with Lindy's population count? There are a sig. number of us to make a difference. Anywhere we roll will get that two chocobo rating, we pull our characters it'll probably drop back to one.

Asyria Wrote:

Verence Wrote:

Asyria Wrote:The other thing I'd like to say is that you seem to make plenty of generalizations, saying that the kind of people who go there and like this and like that, but at the same time you refuse to define yourself by what you do. Why then, define others by what they do? Kind of a contradiction there that makes me hesitant to agree with your otherwise valid points.

Hm. At first blush, I found myself agreeing with you, but upon further thought... no, I don't really agree. I made no statements as to the tendencies or personalities of RPers. In fact, if anything, I argued against us developing such a definite self-image! Had I made general statements about the RP community, there'd be a clear parallel, but as I haven't... There's no real basis of comparison upon which a contradiction could be founded. I feel that my points remain undiminished.

No no, I'm not saying you made statements as to the tendencies of personalities of RPers.. I'm saying you did so for -other- people. Namely, 4channers, 3rd paragraph (can you believe I had to go back like 4-5 pages to find that? ). You defined their personality types from them being 4channers yet you do not define yourself (or any of us) from being RPers. That's the part I have trouble with.

I could if you like, but I fear it would be terribly unflattering.

My main point was that certain groups, on average, taken as a whole, tend to express certain tendencies. RPers are not exempt from this, and that is precisely why I am arguing against RPer pride - to avoid us, as a community, expressing a potentially divisive tendency. I tend to avoid herd mentality and think it would be wonderful if we could, or at least tried for that. Realistically it won't happen, but I reserve the right to dream. Anyhow, this being reality, I'd prefer it that the RPC evince positive ones. However, given that communities as a whole tend to BE communities in the first place due to similarities in the members that comprise them... It's no surprise that, overall, they have a tendency to be certain ways. There will always be exceptions on an individual basis, but I'm talking large scale. If the overall tendency of a community leans towards something that could be disruptive to our peaceable enjoyment of the game... well, why set ourselves up for that?

While we're at it Armi, please tell me why you're bringing up low population concerns when you previously stated the following in defense of Lindblum:

ArmachiA Wrote:Remember, there will be server queues regardless of where you roll for the first couple weeks. This is an MMO launch, to not expect that is unrealistic. Aion had massive server queues and it's most popular server constantly went down.

Changing vote to Besaid. I think low-pop is good for RP. I understand the argument about high-pop for endgame, but I really don't think there's going to be any concern about finding people for things, especially with this quantity of RPers storming to the server and these coalition forums to help with the planning and organization of things. I'm not worried about that at all.

^ Reductio ad absurdum.

Picking a server with a blank slate is a dangerous propisition, regardless if we'll bring up the pop number. Besaid doesn't look like it's going to be a player when it comes to progression, and that's one of the things I'm looking for.

Meh, I casted my vote and can't find a real significant reason to change it. I don't see any harm one way or the other regardless of what I like. A little population in a game based off player economy seems more of a positive in my book than anything. And the server hasn't seemed to hit 3 with us starting to hit it up so to me, that seems about right and good.

I also feel that the chocobo indicator is only registering who is currently logged on as well so my gut says the actual population between Lindblum and Besaid is probably not far from each other. There are a lot of good points in this thread though about how eventually the servers will even out. Aion, even with its population controls was TERRIBLE about queues no matter what. It even had a race queue and eventually, everyone was able to get it. Just takes a bit of patience I believe.

Eva Wrote:Changing vote to Besaid. I think low-pop is good for RP. I understand the argument about high-pop for endgame, but I really don't think there's going to be any concern about finding people for things, especially with this quantity of RPers storming to the server and these coalition forums to help with the planning and organization of things. I'm not worried about that at all.

In Aion most of the RPers sat in the Tavern. This happened in WoW too. RPers aren't really known for their progressionist mentality.

Then you could have stated that as your agenda from the beginning.

My agenda, meanwhile, is encouraging the RPC to choose its server based on what is healthy for its unifying interest as a group: roleplay. If there aren't super-amazing-progression guilds, guess what? I've led my fair share in the past, and I'd be more than happy to kick people's asses into gear again to get where I want to go. You know my powergaming habits first-hand.

Remember I don't generally care what server we land on, but stating we shouldn't go to Lindy because it's somewhat popular, not EXTREMELY just somewhat, it a little extreme.