Hydaelyn Role-Players

Honestly, if you're not happy with the models, then don't be happy with the models. I understand why you don't, but I agree with Clover -- don't say it's 'lazy' designing. 

I understand why you think it's lazy since it does look like a hyur midlander with different textures, but it's unfair to call it 'lazy'. If you ask me, a very lazy move would have been not implementing them in the first place. They're going through the effort of making it playable for us.

The moment I laid my eyes on the female model I whispered, "Beautiful delicate dragon princess."

... I know there's a few people who are disappointed with how the females ended up... b... ut... they are... just so... friggin... pretty to me.

Please. You can like something and still admit that a bare minimum of effort went into its creation.

I mean, for cryin' out loud, I play Miqo'te! I KNOW all they did was make them cute and throw on some cat ears+tail and I still enjoy playing as one. It's still incredibly lazy, simplistic character design (especially considering they're really just modified Mithra).

I'm with Tiergan.  If someone thinks its lazy he should feel free to say so.  If you disagree, don't say, "you shouldn't say its lazy."  Why shouldn't I?  If you disagree, explain why and try to change the person's mind.  I don't personally think its lazy (I think they're just making what people want, as this thread suggests), but I can see why someone would think that.

(12-21-2014, 06:25 PM)Oscare Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why you think it's lazy since it does look like a hyur midlander with different textures, but it's unfair to call it 'lazy'. If you ask me, a very lazy move would have been not implementing them in the first place. They're going through the effort of making it playable for us.

Not necessarily.

The fact that it looks just like a midlander leads me to believe it's NOT COMPLETE YET. Did we see an in-game model? Or did we only see the concept art. Concept isn't implementation. Saying it's lazy or not is basing ourselves on design decisions so far removed from the consumer that we can't say for sure. Hell, I've seen what lazy design does - it can ruin games. (soooooo many anecdotes on that, most of them I'm unable to tell due to losing my job maybe.)

I still don't care for the female design and think it should be more in line (albeit with Yugiri as tiniest version) with the male design though.

Not overly disappointed with the design to be honest considering it’s from the creators of Too Many Belts and What Is That Hair Doing and An Abundance Of Catpeople and The Great Butt Exodus 2k13. Final Fantasy has a pretty distinct thing when it comes to playable races. I knew what I was paying for. Maybe in the future they might supply that demand but if it's low in demand it won't be high in supply.

Currently I’m actually pretty enamored with the idea of the Au Ra. I like them in theory. They’re something new, their lore could be cool, and I really really want to see what’s going on there. What's their culture like? How are they going to incorporate a new race into the world? What's their culture like? Were we looking at a min height female next to a max height male? What the hell is their culture like c'mon I really wanna know.

I don't really understand how some people feeling the design could have been better and feels lazy invalidates the opinion of people who love the design and like it as is. It's not discarding opinions, it's merely disagreeing with them. We can disagree and still be cool with one another. I respect that people love the race and I can see why (the ladies are very pretty!) - and I have no problem with people who actively enjoy the Au Ra female look and can't wait to play as one.

While I don't love the design, I don't hate it either. I do think they're extremely pretty and look forward to seeing people run around and RP as them - particularly the darker-haired variant I've seen floating around Tumblr.

I don't see why anyone would actively refrain from RP with someone playing as a female Au Ra unless they're a huge jerk. (In which case, you're probably not missing out on much by not getting to RP with them.)

As a person playing a cat man, I'm basically playing the "fan service race". It's no secret that some people view the miqo'te in a less than positive light. But as long as folks don't:

1) harass folks playing as miqo'te/au ra
2) decide myself and others not worth RPing with because we're playing miqo'te/au ra
3) decide I must be a poor RPer because I decided to go with a cat man or someone else decided to roll a female au ra

- I can respect folks for feeling however they do about them, whether or not they agree with me.

(12-21-2014, 06:31 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: [ -> ]Not necessarily.

The fact that it looks just like a midlander leads me to believe it's NOT COMPLETE YET.

Actually, this might be entirely true.

I will admit defeat since everyone is entitled to an opinion whether it's lazy or not.

@Lafi: I'm led to believe that those models are the 'default' models. Default meaning that you don't change a single option at all, not changing the sliders or colors. Which is why I'm not really too sold for the males -- I'd need to see more options.

But I don't consider it lazy ;
I consider it a beautiful and inspiring design. I don't need uber complicated designs that would likely have no visual appeal to me, just for the sake of saying "oh, this is very original, I've never seen such deformity before!". SE was aiming to create visually appealing characters, and in my opinion they succeeded. That they look humanoid and there are other humanoid characters in-game doesn't mean that it's a lazy or uninteresting design.

My problem is that the way people word this whole mess goes beyond simply saying that they personally don't like the race. Saying that a design is bad or lazy is quite a broad statement.

(12-21-2014, 06:31 PM)Kellach Woods Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2014, 06:25 PM)Oscare Wrote: [ -> ]I understand why you think it's lazy since it does look like a hyur midlander with different textures, but it's unfair to call it 'lazy'. If you ask me, a very lazy move would have been not implementing them in the first place. They're going through the effort of making it playable for us.

Did we see an in-game model? Or did we only see the concept art.

The "lazy" accusation towards SE comes from the way they put no effort into maintaining a consistent aesthetic across the race. Rather than create an equally delicate and beautiful male model, or an equally fierce, lithe, and draconic female model, they went with plan B for the guys and "pretty human with some horns" for the ladies. I find it "lazy" in thought process. They couldn't fathom a beauty beyond the simple standard present in 90% of their women already.

Do I think they're pretty? Yeah. Doesn't mean they're not disappointing, and I won't hesitate to call out SE for falling into the thoughtless character design trap.

Yea I like them, I'll probably be making one, but it's fair to say 'wow a race of super buff dudes and skinny 'sly' women that look like humans with horns and a scale texture applied, really went deep there duders'. You can do a good job with a lazy idea.

Well, no other race in FFXIV has very different males and females, so this one is different than the rest for that reason.

Naturally, females follow Japanese beauty standards, which is expected (and in my case, appreciated).

I know that many Western games go wild when creating different races, but those are created under a completely different mindset. I personally don't like the way characters look in Western games, even less the non humanoid ones. People might find the plants race from GW2 interesting, but I wouldn't dare to touch them with a stick.

So, FF is a Japanese game, and as such it will follow its own beauty standards, and it's own standards of what's interesting and what's not. It is not the Western standard, which doesn't mean that it's *bad*; that's what I'm trying to say. If that race exists it's because there are tons of people who love that kind of design, and I personally don't find any appeal in the way people have described how they'd like the race to be.

On a completely different note:

Not sure if it was brought up, but I kinda wonder how Isghardians will feel about Au Ra. (DID THEIR PREDECESSORS LAY WITH DRAGONS?! )

(12-21-2014, 06:46 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: [ -> ]

Ugh, actually seeing them side-by-side actually makes it look... pretty gross.

Of course my mind is firmly in the gutter here, but seriously? Think about this for a second. Those guys. Breeding with those girls. It makes. NO. SENSE.

Ugh. Not a fan. Not at all a fan of that. And the scale patches look completely out of place on such smooth skin...