(06-29-2013, 05:06 PM)faceman7381 Wrote: I shake my head now for in the future a year or so from here a player will come come on here and say something about how they wish they and their friends would have been here at launch because they just joined the non legacy rp server and every one was already in rp groups and they were way behind on gil gear and levels.  And the response will be well you gotta adjust for 
The community.  Irony.....I shake my head now to save time later.....

(06-29-2013, 03:18 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I knew that would be the predictable response the second after I posted. A better reason is that there is a group of people who already know each other and a group of people yet to form these relationships. We want to form our own groups organically. We don't want match.com meet ups we want drunk hook ups with like minded strangers at name your watering hole.

(06-29-2013, 05:23 PM)Averis Wrote:

(06-29-2013, 03:18 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I knew that would be the predictable response the second after I posted. A better reason is that there is a group of people who already know each other and a group of people yet to form these relationships. We want to form our own groups organically. We don't want match.com meet ups we want drunk hook ups with like minded strangers at name your watering hole.

I don't get this at all. Meeting people is meeting people. Sometimes they are in a group, sometimes they aren't. Does this mean that if a group of friends or a couple join the same "new" sever as you you won't play with them either because they already know each other? We hear this all the time, "My friends and I want to start on a new server". Isn't that the same thing in the end in regards to groups that already know each other? Wouldn't that then mean that other new players won't want to play with your group of friends since you already know each other? (The general you)

Often times guilds are formed and started well before a new games launches. A lot of new ones are starting now on this very forum alongside older ones. When a new player starts the game on launch day there are already a bunch of guilds already established. You can't start on a server where no one knows each other at all. It's just not possible. And I just find it all the more ironic how many (not necessarily the person I commented) complaining about Balmung and its already established groups are coming from people that themselves are "a group a friends".

To me this is just simply a fear that "I won't be accepted with the cool kids" or that they want to start on an equal footing, IE for competitive reasons, which I can understand to a degree, but everyone levels at a different pace anyway, so it's sort of a moot point in the long run. (again this is in general to those complaining about starting on an established RP server, not specifically to the commented post above)

Like others have said, a new server isn't going to be open each time new players join the game, and if new players are truly role-players and want that immersion then they should go where the majority of their fellows are. Just as in real life, there will be people more experienced than you and groups and bonds already formed. Work with that into your character story.

Just my opinion...

(06-29-2013, 05:32 PM)faceman7381 Wrote: ........I have no levels higher than 25.....

I am in a link shell with 6 non legacy players that I founded.....

 I mentor 2 people on the site....

I was making the point that someday you too will be in the same place we are and despite saying we will welcome and help you become part of the community a new player will present the argument that they are too far behind to catch up so there is no point to try.....

All you will have left to say is what some of are doing....pleading you to try it and not break up the community....

It was meant to show the irony...not inflame....

Dee Snyder once said at the PMRC hearings in the late 80s to paraphrase...'if you go looking for something in someone's words you will find it without first knowing the true meaning they were expressing.'. I ment only to convey how it is now and how it will be for everyone no matter the server....

That is all..


All the best to all in whatever they choose to do.

Konner

(06-29-2013, 05:42 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I'm 36 couldn't give less of a shit about people's social habits. I prefer uncharted territory and it's not rocket science that people who are legacy are pc even if they are now playing ps3 version which means they tend to be more mmorpg veteran than your average console gamer branching out into mmorpg territory for the first time.

It is a fact a non legacy server will have more new players than vets. You can attempt to spin it any way you want. We don't want a legacy server bottom line.   Enjoy your legacy server we will make a community on non legacy server.

(06-29-2013, 06:17 PM)Averis Wrote:

(06-29-2013, 05:42 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: I'm 36 couldn't give less of a shit about people's social habits. I prefer uncharted territory and it's not rocket science that people who are legacy are pc even if they are now playing ps3 version which means they tend to be more mmorpg veteran than your average console gamer branching out into mmorpg territory for the first time.

It is a fact a non legacy server will have more new players than vets. You can attempt to spin it any way you want. We don't want a legacy server bottom line.   Enjoy your legacy server we will make a community on non legacy server.

I'm also 36, but I don't know what our ages have to do with anything. I'm just giving my view on the matter. I really don't understand this "threat" that "vets" pose to you. I'm just befuddled by it. I'm not trying to "spin" anything. I'm just having a discussion. If you don't care what others do and made up your mind then why argue about it so much? Just do what you plan to do.

The thing I don't get is that we aren't enemies here, and I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to do anything, yet I feel this strong angst against the legacy folks and server as if we all did something horribly wrong to even suggest the idea to try and keep our small RP community together.

Anyway, have fun wherever you end up. I hope you have many great adventures.

(06-29-2013, 06:30 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: Because only kids worry about social conventions. I don't find text on the Internet threatening. I'm stating that a world with more new people is far more enjoyable than a world with experts. It becomes a collective journey of discovery and learning vs. a bunch of seasoned players holding the hands of the new folks. It's a matter of what someone enjoys. You could love country music and tell me the southern community is really warm and awesome and I think the music is dogshit listened to by lots of people who tend not to be very intelligent or cultured. I don't mind a bunch of rednecks enjoying their thing just as they wouldn't relate to me enjoying my thing.

Everyone is different. It's a matter of taste and priorities.

(06-29-2013, 06:39 PM)Averis Wrote:

(06-29-2013, 06:30 PM)jwhyrock Wrote: Because only kids worry about social conventions. I don't find text on the Internet threatening. I'm stating that a world with more new people is far more enjoyable than a world with experts. It becomes a collective journey of discovery and learning vs. a bunch of seasoned players holding the hands of the new folks. It's a matter of what someone enjoys. You could love country music and tell me the southern community is really warm and awesome and I think the music is dogshit listened to by lots of people who tend not to be very intelligent or cultured. I don't mind a bunch of rednecks enjoying their thing just as they wouldn't relate to me enjoying my thing.

Everyone is different. It's a matter of taste and priorities.

Um... wow. Okay... I'm done.

(06-29-2013, 07:05 PM)Averis Wrote: Haha, actually I don't like country music either, but I'm not going to argue with your attitude. That's why I'm done. The rest of your remarks couldn't be more off the mark in my case, but keep on making assumptions, I'm sure you'll make a lot of new friends that way on your new server.

(06-29-2013, 07:40 PM)Jonexe Wrote: The idea that a community has to choose whether or not to "support" another server is kind of... strange. The RPC here is not the "Balmung RP community" or the "Non-Legacy RP community". According to the logo at the top of my screen it's Hydaelyn Roleplayers Coalition... meaning all of them; combined. If 10 people decide they want to go play on Goblin or some other server... then who cares? Wouldn't they be just a free to post about the fun they're having here as the folks on Balmung?