Quote:"The pious Ishgardian clergy guide the flock, and the devout knights protect the weak. Yet even the holiest of men succumb to the darkest of temptations.

None dare to administer justice to these sacrosanct elite residing outside the reach of the law. Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them?

A valiant few take up arms to defend the downtrodden, and not even the holy priests and knights can escape their judgment. Pariahs in their own land, they are known by many as "dark knights."

These sentinels bear no shields declaring their allegiance. Instead, their greatswords act as beacons to guide the meek through darkness."

(05-26-2015, 02:29 PM)Telluride Wrote: Also, another reason why I defy SE's insistence that THOU SHALT BOW DOWN TO OUR STORY:

Dear SE,

YOU ARE GIVING US A NEW RACE.

This race has played no part, no part, NO PART in your MSQ, save for one individual whose arrival is as much a Deus Ex Machina to keep us interested in her mystery. She is utterly disposable as an Au Ra.

Why, then, could I not start an Au Ra up in Ishgard, since I AM NOT A RACE INVOLVED IN THIS STORY, and take one of the three classes that also ARE NOT INVOLVED AT ALL IN YOUR MSQ (Remember, Yugiri is a Ninja), and let me jump into the new story as it is?

I'm perfectly willing to have you say, "Finish the main story first!" I'm done. I know what happens. Let me play the Au Ra Dark Knight/Mechanist/Astrologian who steps in to revive the Wild Roses.

Because if you allow me to Fantasia into an Au Ra, then an Au Ra must have been the Warrior of Light the whole time. You can't get around this, SE, except by permutations that would have any Novel Publishing Editor laugh your story out of circulation.


Perhaps SE has figured this all out, but they're remaining closed mouthed, and as things stand, there are direct contradictions aplenty in what we're getting. If you insist upon your Story being the #1 consideration, you have a responsibility to make the thing WORK.

Hm. Yep, I'm on a rant n' roll today.

(05-26-2015, 02:19 PM)Gegenji Wrote:

(05-26-2015, 02:14 PM)Melkire Wrote: Narratively speaking, all three new jobs seem tied to expansion areas. Dark Knights are supposedly an Ishgardian thing, as are machinists who are following Garlond's example. Astrologians practice a Sharlayan art.

Theoretically speaking, if they got shoved out to Coerthas, how would this be handled?

DRG is also an Ishgardian thing, though. So I'm sure they could manage something for DRK. And the folks at the Observatorium are Astrologians, right? Really, the only problem one might be MCH - but if they had it as one of the Limsan flintlock-users adapting more Garlean tech (stolen off raided Garlean ships, maybe), then you don't have it tied to the expansion areas either.

(05-26-2015, 02:27 PM)Kage Wrote:

Quote:"The pious Ishgardian clergy guide the flock, and the devout knights protect the weak. Yet even the holiest of men succumb to the darkest of temptations.

None dare to administer justice to these sacrosanct elite residing outside the reach of the law. Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them?

A valiant few take up arms to defend the downtrodden, and not even the holy priests and knights can escape their judgment. Pariahs in their own land, they are known by many as "dark knights."

These sentinels bear no shields declaring their allegiance. Instead, their greatswords act as beacons to guide the meek through darkness."

I mean with dragoons, you had a stolen eye / renegade dragoon / dragons exist outside of Ishgard.

But uh, the clergy ain't really doing shit outside of Ishgard except for Inquisitors*. Why would people actually care about a city that's closed off to them?

(05-26-2015, 02:32 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote:

(05-26-2015, 02:29 PM)Telluride Wrote: Perhaps SE has figured this all out, but they're remaining closed mouthed, and as things stand, there are direct contradictions aplenty in what we're getting. If you insist upon your Story being the #1 consideration, you have a responsibility to make the thing WORK.

Hm. Yep, I'm on a rant n' roll today.

Maybe you just play the MSQ with a bag over your head and just play it cool.

"Just an Elezen with a bag on his head, and psoriasis, nothing to see here."

(05-26-2015, 02:29 PM)Telluride Wrote: Also, another reason why I defy SE's insistence that THOU SHALT BOW DOWN TO OUR STORY:

Dear SE,

YOU ARE GIVING US A NEW RACE.

This race has played no part, no part, NO PART in your MSQ, save for one individual whose arrival is as much a Deus Ex Machina to keep us interested in her mystery. She is utterly disposable as an Au Ra.

Why, then, could I not start an Au Ra up in Ishgard, since I AM NOT A RACE INVOLVED IN THIS STORY, and take one of the three classes that also ARE NOT INVOLVED AT ALL IN YOUR MSQ (Remember, Yugiri is a Ninja), and let me jump into the new story as it is?

I'm perfectly willing to have you say, "Finish the main story first!" I'm done. I know what happens. Let me play the Au Ra Dark Knight/Mechanist/Astrologian who steps in to revive the Wild Roses.

Because if you allow me to Fantasia into an Au Ra, then an Au Ra must have been the Warrior of Light the whole time. You can't get around this, SE, except by permutations that would have any Novel Publishing Editor laugh your story out of circulation.


Perhaps SE has figured this all out, but they're remaining closed mouthed, and as things stand, there are direct contradictions aplenty in what we're getting. If you insist upon your Story being the #1 consideration, you have a responsibility to make the thing WORK.

Hm. Yep, I'm on a rant n' roll today.

(05-26-2015, 03:37 PM)BroodingFicus Wrote: You know...I never thought of that. As far as I know Au Ra are the one thing accessible from the get go however we don't know where they came from or how they fit into the story if at all. Even if they make a reason for their appearance it does mean that the warrior of light would have needed to be an Au Ra from the beginning. Though as I say this, there is a little nagging voice in the back of my mind saying we should just pray they decided to ignore this and allow us to at least be the race we want from the get go since the alternative is they lock that behind MSQ too.

(05-26-2015, 03:44 PM)Aya Wrote:

(05-26-2015, 03:37 PM)BroodingFicus Wrote: You know...I never thought of that. As far as I know Au Ra are the one thing accessible from the get go however we don't know where they came from or how they fit into the story if at all. Even if they make a reason for their appearance it does mean that the warrior of light would have needed to be an Au Ra from the beginning. Though as I say this, there is a little nagging voice in the back of my mind saying we should just pray they decided to ignore this and allow us to at least be the race we want from the get go since the alternative is they lock that behind MSQ too.

~That moment when the shrouded Yugiri meets an Au Ra Warrior of Light~

(05-27-2015, 07:35 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: -snip-

(05-27-2015, 07:52 AM)Kellach Woods Wrote: I thought their reshuffling of roulette definitions would be enough, but as soon as they said they split them into ARR/Heavensward anyway it really felt like Yoshida hadn't expected this question and had no idea how to answer in order to not make the answer suck.