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RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Virella - 10-18-2016
That said, I don't think Monks will be shafted due to the fact the main temple was purged, and not all temples. I imagine others have been burned down after, but... at least the monks were given the chance to leave before the army came.
I still don't think there are that many (elder) monks to begin with, but that's another topic.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Oli! - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 02:57 PM)Gegenji Wrote: As stated, this could happen to the MNKs come the next expansion, or some other bit of lore could drop that ruins someone's character concept. Like "there are no Garlean spies in the city-states" or something.
As far as other classes are considered, I doubt this going to happen, and also think additional doomsaying and "It could happen to you!" also falls in the range of counterproductive comments.
Many classes are already in DRG's current state, or ambiguously close to it (WHM, BLM, SMN, etc), and those that currently aren't would require Squeenix to overwrite actual game content (the entire MNK and PLD storylines, for instance) in order for a retcon to take place, which (arguably barring some portions of 1.0) has never happened, and would be far too messy in practice.
Ambiguous classes (which DRG honestly always was, and I say this as a factual statement and not as a declaration of whether or not I am on a certain side) are of course barred from this, and could have their lore switched and / or solidified at any time. BLM was placed in the same instance when Heavensward launched, because it too was in a position of ambiguity.
Honestly, many of the Jobs were at the time. It's just that for some, things opened up, and for some, things didn't. But for those that are currently solid, I doubt there will be additional fiddling that affects backstory. Current events, however? Very likely.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Jana - 10-18-2016
It could still happen to Monks if SE comes out and says only the Job Trainer and his nine best friends made it out of Gyr Albania alive, and then the expansion gives us 8 more original-Fists of Rhalgr. People currently playing a Monk who escaped Ala Mhigo would either have to retcon their characters as being Shadow Sect or find some kind of loophole around it.
Anyway, the DRG and MNK and every other Job RPers I play with are cool, and I'm not about to disassociate with them over a line in the lore book.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Oli! - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 03:34 PM)Jana Wrote: It could still happen to Monks if SE comes out and says only the Job Trainer and his nine best friends made it out of Gyr Albania alive, and then the expansion gives us 8 more original-Fists of Rhalgr. People currently playing a Monk who escaped Ala Mhigo would either have to retcon their characters as being Shadow Sect or find some kind of loophole around it.
Anyway, the DRG and MNK and every other Job RPers I play with are cool, and I'm not about to disassociate with them over a line in the lore book.
This has always been the case for Old School light-sect people. It's a different case from Dragoon comparatively, since there are stated avenues one may still use to be a monk; with DRG, we may unfortunately only assume.
Though I'm also reasonably detached from that risk, because I retconned several elements to Shadow immediately, so I don't have an investment and may be taking that worry incredibly casually in the eyes of other people.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-18-2016
I've said this before, but lore is a tool to improve RP, not stifle it.
No one has to retcon anything lol, if there are less dragoons that just gives you an excuse to write a cool reason why your dragoon exists.
Use the lore book to open new doors, not close them.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - AlionLucada - 10-18-2016
Pretty sure as long as people who RP MNKs don't come out and say they're grandmasters of their own sect and they're the avatar of Rahlgr they'll be fine.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 03:52 PM)AlionLucada Wrote: Pretty sure as long as people who RP MNKs don't come out and say they're grandmasters of their own sect and they're the avatar of Rahlgr they'll be fine.Is there a problem if they do?
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Oli! - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 03:49 PM)McBeef Wrote: I've said this before, but lore is a tool to improve RP, not stifle it.
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Use the lore book to open new doors, not close them.
This implies that the presented alternatives are "stifling" RP, or that following lore to the letter, which some people prefer to do, does not follow the same line of "improvement." It could be argued that this is a "stifling" viewpoint in and of itself.
The issue is that people have different things they want to do, and different preferences within RP, and since the two dominant trains of thought are directly juxtaposed and situated over subjctive ideas of "good" and of "improvement," there will never be agreement.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Virella - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 03:52 PM)AlionLucada Wrote: Pretty sure as long as people who RP MNKs don't come out and say they're grandmasters of their own sect and they're the avatar of Rahlgr they'll be fine.Nah, they are all busy not worshipping Rhalgr :^) I wish I was kidding, but most Fist of Rhalgr RPers don't worship Rhalgr.
There is a reason why I avoid most other FoR RPers
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 04:03 PM)AlionLucada Wrote:I'm honestly curious what problem it will cause. People always use general language, like they're speaking for a whole group, but in reality they're just speaking their personal opinion.(10-18-2016, 03:54 PM)McBeef Wrote:(10-18-2016, 03:52 PM)AlionLucada Wrote: Pretty sure as long as people who RP MNKs don't come out and say they're grandmasters of their own sect and they're the avatar of Rahlgr they'll be fine.Is there a problem if they do?
Will it cause an issue for you? How would you react to a player who still says they're a dragoon, or a grandmaster monk?
EX: "People might not RP with you." usually translates to "I won't RP with you."
*Mod edit happened to aid with thread cleanup.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - AlionLucada - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 04:05 PM)McBeef Wrote:(10-18-2016, 04:03 PM)AlionLucada Wrote:I'm honestly curious what problem it will cause. People always use general language, like they're speaking for a whole group, but in reality they're just speaking their personal opinion.(10-18-2016, 03:54 PM)McBeef Wrote:(10-18-2016, 03:52 PM)AlionLucada Wrote: Pretty sure as long as people who RP MNKs don't come out and say they're grandmasters of their own sect and they're the avatar of Rahlgr they'll be fine.Is there a problem if they do?
Will it cause an issue for you? How would you react to a player who still says they're a dragoon, or a grandmaster monk?
Depending on the character I'm playing, as others have said in the thread, I'll either assume their character is lying, drunk or crazy.
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RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-18-2016
(10-18-2016, 04:06 PM)AlionLucada Wrote:(10-18-2016, 04:05 PM)McBeef Wrote:(10-18-2016, 04:03 PM)AlionLucada Wrote:I'm honestly curious what problem it will cause. People always use general language, like they're speaking for a whole group, but in reality they're just speaking their personal opinion.(10-18-2016, 03:54 PM)McBeef Wrote:(10-18-2016, 03:52 PM)AlionLucada Wrote: Pretty sure as long as people who RP MNKs don't come out and say they're grandmasters of their own sect and they're the avatar of Rahlgr they'll be fine.Is there a problem if they do?
Your stance on all this is fairly clear and you've done little more than attack the people who you disagree with, so I'm not gonna bother explaining why it could pose a problem down the road. =P
Will it cause an issue for you? How would you react to a player who still says they're a dragoon, or a grandmaster monk?
Depending on the character I'm playing, as others have said in the thread, I'll either assume their character is lying, drunk or crazy.
Understandable, but how is that a Problem? Like, both of you would interact, and you'd go on your ways.Â
I think most people would be ok with that outcome, and they're willing to accept it. For example, my character claims often and loudly she's the Empress of Garlemald. Everyone smiles and nods and scoots away when she does.Â
I would get your concern if people were coming on here complaining about how no one accepts their Dragoon RP, but until then your concern seems a bit premature? There are already IC ways of dealing with lore you don't agree with, and you gave a good example of one.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Nero - 10-18-2016
Several posts from this thread have been archived.
Please try to keep your contributions civil, relevant, and constructive.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - Parvacake - 10-18-2016
Glancing back over the thread in bits and pieces, sounds like everything from this point on is all about interpretation and how people decide to work with the lore. As well as how they maneuver their character through the curve-ball.
Do what you need to do. People will either accept how you worked with the lore or they won't. The latter can just be shrugged off and moved on from. Otherwise? A lot of this is starting to sound like people trying to convince others into their version of how they feel is the best way to move forward while the rest continue to flounder.
I think as long as it's acknowledged that most of the officially ordained DRGs are dead or retired, whatever happens from there is up to the creativity of the player and how they found their way from point A to point B.
RE: Welp Dragoons, it was a good run, but we are all now either retired or dead - McBeefâ„¢ - 10-18-2016
I just figured out why SE pegged the current number at 10 dragoons.
That's enough for a 5v5 basketball match.