(11-06-2015, 11:07 AM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

I'm really disappointed in this response.

(11-06-2015, 10:45 AM)Vitamin C Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 10:37 AM)Askier Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 02:21 AM)PkThunda Wrote: It is because of this that I have to speak up and let people know that some language in regards to sex-work is not okay...

(11-06-2015, 10:20 AM)Hammersmith Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 09:48 AM)Askier Wrote: Holy Snip Batman

I'm guessing you and Flynt didn't actually read the OP, since they explicitly say they don't want to stop using or restrict usage of the words, or force a OMG THE PC POLICE WILL CENSOR US, especially in an RP context.

They just to bring an awareness of how the words sit in a cultural context both in RP and RL usage and the impact usage of such word carries, consciously and unconsciously in the same contexts we've constructed around them.  They're shitty words used in shitty contexts to make people feel shitty.  The reasons behind their entrenchment into our language are complicated, historical, and terrible and frankly we'd be better off without them in the same way we've ditched racial and homo/transphobic slurs that also used to be commonplace in a 'Well call a spade a spade because that's what it is' way of thinking.

You and I disagree and I'm fine with that. That line there though, where the OP says its not okay is indicating, to me at least, a cause for concern.  Why isn't it okay?  Whom gets to determines which words are okay and not?  If a word hurts someone's feelings, why should we get rid of it?  If you get called "Four-eyes- and it hurts your feelings, does that mean we need to ban the words -four- and eyes- to make sure the insult can never happen again?

Look, you can sit there and insult me, and Flynt, (NOW there's someone I never thought I be paired with, lulz), but that won't change my view point.  I don't care how people live their life.  I want everyone to be able to live their live as they desire. Do what they enjoy  Love who they love.  But I do not agree with you that we should ditch all these words. 

If you censor a word, you actually GIVE it power because its taboo and that, ironically, is counter-productive. Its like the Unforgivable Curses in Harry Potter.  The mere fact they are "unforgivable" makes them even more menacing and ominous on top of the evil they can do.  You take away the taboo of something, you remove a TON of its power.  By exposing people to something, you actually lessen the power of the word because people aren't SHOCKED you used it, but rather can hear the word, process it, and can make a rational reply.

You might be taking Hammer's reply out of context, because he's not insulting you nor Flynt. I can understand how the vernacular might indicate that and perhaps he was exaggerating the posts made in a satirical manner to get his point across.

Needless to say, there ARE some words that should be ditched in favor of political correctness or atleast used in the contexts they were intended, like F*ggot, which to my understanding is just sticks bundled together. While the logic that using a word more often makes it less taboo sounds alright on paper, if I walked around labeling everything because I think it's okay, then I'm going to get stabbed. Culturally, and in modern society, we can't control what offends people but we should control how we offend people. Self restraint, basically. 

Most people don't like the concept, but it's the same as saying, "Hey, I'm going to keep saying rape even if it triggers you because you should learn to restrain your feelings on my liberal use of it."

(11-06-2015, 11:06 AM)Askier Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 10:45 AM)Vitamin C Wrote: -Condensed to save space-

You make a point to act like an asshole, you risk being stabbed. But my point is that, an individual should have the right to BE an asshole. And, if the words of their mouth get the ever living tar kicked outta them,tough. That's a result of their actions.

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

(11-06-2015, 11:16 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

In a lot of ancient times Prostitutes were something to be admired, every man and woman wanted them. they were literally the models of bygone era's but if you could afford them you could have them.

Gladiator's were even sex workers, a lot of them were sold by their masters to wealthy merchants and noble families for nights of pleasure after the Gladiator had won over a crowd.

To be real honest, there's no reason to snub sex workers unless you are clinging to antiquated moralities pressed upon people to try to stop infidelity.

So yes because of today's standards they may be looked down on by moral high horsers or people that are very insecure. But I personally have no issues with sex workers. They are people just like me and you, and really aren't hurting anyone.. if anything they're helping out some lonely souls.

(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

Legality is not a very strong metric for morality. Sex trade used to be a very common and generally-respected vocation.

(11-06-2015, 11:20 AM)SicketySix Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:16 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

In a lot of ancient times Prostitutes were something to be admired, every man and woman wanted them. they were literally the models of bygone era's but if you could afford them you could have them.

Gladiator's were even sex workers, a lot of them were sold by their masters to wealthy merchants and noble families for nights of pleasure after the Gladiator had won over a crowd.

To be real honest, there's no reason to snub sex workers unless you are clinging to antiquated moralities pressed upon people to try to stop infidelity.

So yes because of today's standards they may be looked down on by moral high horsers or people that are very insecure. But I personally have no issues with sex workers. They are people just like me and you, and really aren't hurting anyone.. if anything they're helping out some lonely souls.

(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

Legality is not a very strong metric for morality. Sex trade used to be a very common and generally-respected vocation.

So was slavery, shall we venture into those waters?

(11-06-2015, 11:16 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

In a lot of ancient times Prostitutes were something to be admired, every man and woman wanted them. they were literally the models of bygone era's but if you could afford them you could have them.

Gladiator's were even sex workers, a lot of them were sold by their masters to wealthy merchants and noble families for nights of pleasure after the Gladiator had won over a crowd.

To be real honest, there's no reason to snub sex workers unless you are clinging to antiquated moralities pressed upon people to try to stop infidelity.

So yes because of today's standards they may be looked down on by moral high horsers or people that are very insecure. But I personally have no issues with sex workers. They are people just like me and you, and really aren't hurting anyone.. if anything they're helping out some lonely souls.

(11-06-2015, 11:30 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:20 AM)SicketySix Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:16 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: snib

snib

(11-06-2015, 11:19 AM)Kaiz Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: snib

Legality is not a very strong metric for morality. Sex trade used to be a very common and generally-respected vocation.

So was slavery, shall we venture into those waters?

That's apples and oranges. Sex workers a lot of them do it voluntary 
(Yes I am aware of the sex trafficking rings were people are abducted into them, but that is not the focus of this topic before you try to twist it to that.)

Porn Stars for example, there's a lot of them that love what they do -love- it. In some circles they even hold celebrity status. Are you telling me you look down on them and you've never watched porn (I'm calling you a liar right now if you try to deny ever having watched any.)
What harm are they causing? I bet you damn well appreciated they made those films at the time you used them.

(11-06-2015, 11:33 AM)Sylentmana Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:16 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote:

(11-06-2015, 11:03 AM)Sylentmana Wrote: I don't understand why every fringe group that exists believes that its entitled to special treatment or consideration. With a few exceptions, prostitution is largely an illegal practice. As with other illegal activities, it is not deserving of respect.

Even in places where it is legal, its still going to be looked down on as the general view is that the prostitute is selling their personal dignity as a human for coin. It's not something to be admired.

In a lot of ancient times Prostitutes were something to be admired, every man and woman wanted them. they were literally the models of bygone era's but if you could afford them you could have them.

Gladiator's were even sex workers, a lot of them were sold by their masters to wealthy merchants and noble families for nights of pleasure after the Gladiator had won over a crowd.

To be real honest, there's no reason to snub sex workers unless you are clinging to antiquated moralities pressed upon people to try to stop infidelity.

So yes because of today's standards they may be looked down on by moral high horsers or people that are very insecure. But I personally have no issues with sex workers. They are people just like me and you, and really aren't hurting anyone.. if anything they're helping out some lonely souls.

You speak of antiquated morals yet use ancient examples of morality? I don't make my arguments because I believe in Christian morals. I make them based on law and how humanity in general views the activity today. How prostitution was viewed in ancient cultures is irrelevant to the present.

As prostitution is an illegal act, it is deserving of no more respect than thieving. I'm not arguing that it's okay to harm prostitutes. Even as criminals, they deserve at least basic human rights. However, respect is earned, not given. Just because one demands respect, does not mean they have some inherent right to it.

(11-06-2015, 11:36 AM)Gwen - Dinah Wrote: That may not be the case for much longer there is a huge movement to have it legalized. If that happens what then?

Also there are parts of the world all over where it  -IS NOT- Illegal.


*edit* Even in the U.S. - There are parts of Nevada where is is quite legal.