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RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Hiro - 07-02-2015
One thing I often have an issue with is development over time as a long time player. I've got a character that's been around since 1.0, the IC journey has had some ludicrous things occur, and in the scope of the RP and all the various combats that have happened, they've "seen some shit," while traveling down the road of Neutral Antagonist for some friends to what he is now.
I found once 2.0 hit that his basic power level from experiences and the RP I'd accumulated on him was just... out of place, especially with the influx of new characters to the server the reboot brought in. As such I resorted to memory loss and just ignoring some of the superfluous fantastical things, I'd otherwise have kept as part of his backstory and experiences.
That said, as someone who's had a character since 2010 I can't help but get a little put off when someone pops in claiming to have the same experience as mine because they effectively put it down on paper that they did whereas the entirety of my personal development has come over the span of four and a half years of roleplay. It's not as if they're doing something wrong either, on the same vein just because I roleplayed for four and half years on the character doesn't really mean I should be inherently more experienced or powerful than a character rolled as ten years his senior and a war/front line veteran.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - OttoVann - 07-02-2015
I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. This is the plain fact of the matter.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Unnamed Mercenary - 07-02-2015
(07-02-2015, 05:32 PM)OttoVann Wrote: I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Â Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. Â When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Â Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. Â This is the plain fact of the matter.
What if someone tried to say they were an artisan in training, but were trying to RP before they'd been able to unlock other classes?
Or if they'd made an alt for the purpose of RPing a crafter, despite their main having everything leveled?
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - OttoVann - 07-02-2015
(07-02-2015, 05:39 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:(07-02-2015, 05:32 PM)OttoVann Wrote: I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Â Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. Â When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Â Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. Â This is the plain fact of the matter.
What if someone tried to say they were an artisan in training, but were trying to RP before they'd been able to unlock other classes?
Or if they'd made an alt for the purpose of RPing a crafter, despite their main having everything leveled?
Oh I accept just about anything anyone else does, I'm just saying for my own self, I wont unless I level it. I also wont RP an Artisan without doing a lot of OC research into the craft at hand so I can RP on a competent level in regards to that creation process.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Magellan - 07-02-2015
I think what we are seeing here is two main approaches (and several smaller ones) to rp.
On the one side, Â we have rp as a game. Likely influenced heavily by dnd influences. In this approach, level DOES matter, because it's part of the game and what makes it fun.
The other approach, likely influenced by forum rp and love of writing, treats rp as a story to be told. In this, level doesn't matter because quite frankly it does not fit in to 'storytelling'.
Neither side is right or wrong, just different.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Naunet - 07-02-2015
(07-02-2015, 05:32 PM)OttoVann Wrote: I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Â Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. Â When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Â Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. Â This is the plain fact of the matter.
You mean their "credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost" with you. It's a "plain fact" with you.
Frankly I don't care who has what leveled - especially crafting jobs. xD Those are so mindnumbing, I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy!
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Aaron - 07-02-2015
(07-02-2015, 05:55 PM)OttoVann Wrote:When you buy dat mansion with yo riches they'll really get the message(07-02-2015, 05:39 PM)Unnamed Mercenary Wrote:(07-02-2015, 05:32 PM)OttoVann Wrote: I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Â Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. Â When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Â Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. Â This is the plain fact of the matter.
What if someone tried to say they were an artisan in training, but were trying to RP before they'd been able to unlock other classes?
Or if they'd made an alt for the purpose of RPing a crafter, despite their main having everything leveled?
Oh I accept just about anything anyone else does, I'm just saying for my own self, I wont unless I level it. Â I also wont RP an Artisan without doing a lot of OC research into the craft at hand so I can RP on a competent level in regards to that creation process.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - V'aleera - 07-02-2015
Going beyond crafting, every class in this game is so mind-numbingly simple to level I honestly can't see how having something leveled can be used as an accurate indicator of anything beyond a given person's desire to level the classes that they have.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - McBeefâ„¢ - 07-02-2015
(07-02-2015, 11:46 PM)Intaki Wrote: Going beyond crafting, every class in this game is so mind-numbingly simple to level I honestly can't see how having something leveled can be used as an accurate indicator of anything beyond a given person's desire to level the classes that they have.
Well you see V'aleera, there are several important and unquestionable reasons to do so. For example:
*farts*
*farting continues*
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Dis - 07-03-2015
(07-02-2015, 05:55 PM)OttoVann Wrote: Oh I accept just about anything anyone else does, I'm just saying for my own self, I wont unless I level it. Â I also wont RP an Artisan without doing a lot of OC research into the craft at hand so I can RP on a competent level in regards to that creation process.
This much at least I can agree with. Glioca makes candies, and I know personally how to make the type of candy she does (have made it before quite a bit myself), so I generally have the knowledge of how she does it, and can play it out well enough that someone else could technically follow those instructions and realistically make candy if they got a recipe.
But that just requires knowing how, not leveling Culinarian.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - ZacharyVolfire - 07-03-2015
I base characters on tow factors. Is it possible to do what they said in _blank_ amount of time? And the roll of lady fate. (dice) If someoen wants to be the reincantaiton of baahmut at level one in race gear be my guest. But i would think by leveling up classes and learning the lore of that class job etc helps alot in leanring how they might function if they fought or explroed as that class.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Dis - 07-03-2015
Again, with a server where so many people have alts, they, the player, could already know how those quests go.  So they already know how the class plays, how it works when grinding, general basis on how the skills work and look.  Just.. not on that low level character, is all.  It doesn't mean they lack the knowledge, just that you can't see the knowledge OOCly on their character to know if they did or not, that's all.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Rahal - 07-03-2015
I like being able to represent things on my character well but it's not entirely necessary for me personally. I have an alt that is a fantastic fencer but she's only Lv10 Gladiator. Doesn't' stop it from being fun to RP.
Rahal is ICly a Dark Knight but that doesn't stop him from other characters higher level than him deferring to him when it comes to thier interest in those matters.
Reiko's a good all round mage, specialising in elemental magic, technically lorewise she should not be a Thaumatuge as they are more like Necromancers and preists of you actually read the lore, but I can represent the flashy elemental attacks better with Black Mage.
Personally for me: OOC achievements to match IC is something nice to have, but I won't lose sleep over not having them yet,
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Lilia Lia - 07-03-2015
(07-02-2015, 05:32 PM)OttoVann Wrote: I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Â Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. Â When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Â Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. Â This is the plain fact of the matter.
I think this is more important for crafting since you actually can craft things for other players and have a material impact on the game world for others. You will have people IC asking you if you can craft certain things for them and they will surely expect you to do more than just emote handing them over an imaginary completed item.Â
It makes me wonder how much stronger the OOC/IC nexus would be for combat classes if this game had one-on-one PVP dueling. At that point I think people would be singing a much different tune because of how much practical fun it is to incorporate gameplay and RP.
RE: How important is OOC achievement when playing a powerful character ICly? - Hiro - 07-03-2015
(07-03-2015, 04:15 PM)Lilia Lia Wrote:(07-02-2015, 05:32 PM)OttoVann Wrote: I would never roleplay someone who was a Master Goldsmith/Weaver unless I had those jobs leveled up. Â Same goes for anything else.
Thats how I handle it at least. Â When it comes to roleplaying an Artisan, your credibility OC/IC takes a massive boost when you can make them shit with your nametag on it. Â Thats just how it is, regardless of the pristine liberal stance many roleplayers take to IC/OC separation. Â This is the plain fact of the matter.
I think this is more important for crafting since you actually can craft things for other players and have a material impact on the game world for others. You will have people IC asking you if you can craft certain things for them and they will surely expect you to do more than just emote handing them over an imaginary completed item.Â
It makes me wonder how much stronger the OOC/IC nexus would be for combat classes if this game had one-on-one PVP dueling. At that point I think people would be singing a much different tune because of how much practical fun it is to incorporate gameplay and RP.
I love PVP, I love dueling, but within the realm of RP even I realize that RPers aren't necessarily PVPers, and that PVP (the game function) is hard to really make interesting in RP.
For instance, my character is for all intents and purposes a Ronin/Samurai and I represent this with DRK and NIN and glamours. Within both classes are skill and abilities that are essential to being successful in a PVP environment that I wouldn't utilize. Further, I realize I also put far more effort into PvP and PvE than other RPers, and others more than I, it tilts into unfairness sometimes.
My time on SWTOR had that issue, especially when I was sitting in Ranked Expertise gear and the majority of the rest of the community were not nearly as far into it for various reasonings.