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RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Warren Castille - 02-11-2015
I SAW THAT NINJA EDIT
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Melkire - 02-11-2015
I ninja edit every post I make, what's your point? And by point I don't mean your sword, or your other sword.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Desu Nee - 02-11-2015
This is a christian forum keep your lewdies awayÂ
Anyway, Gods Quiver and Wood Wailers seems to be focused mostly on maintaning the peace of the forest. I don't think they are as much of a police as much as glorified patrol guards. Â I think it's their Grand Company that does most of the law enforcing, as seen in their quests, they tend more to internal affairs and investigations than the Maelstrom and Immortal Flames.
Buuut that's my thoughts.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Warren Castille - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 01:47 PM)Melkire Wrote: I ninja edit every post I make, what's your point? And by point I don't mean your sword, or your other sword.
Now now, there's a precedent to give you the flat.
I wish I had the power to not show my frequent and constant edits in my posts. They are eternal.
Agreeing with Das Knee: Wailers and Quivers don't have to worry TOO too much given the Elementals' presence, but I imagine you don't want to run from someone billed a GOD'S BOW. Wailers seem to be focused more on vermin and fauna threats more than anything, but I'm a dusty city boy so I don't know better.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Gegenji - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 01:52 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Agreeing with Das Knee: Wailers and Quivers don't have to worry TOO too much given the Elementals' presence, but I imagine you don't want to run from someone billed a GOD'S BOW. Wailers seem to be focused more on vermin and fauna threats more than anything, but I'm a dusty city boy so I don't know better.
Have there been instances of the Elementals stepping in to backhand someone getting out of line, though? And you say they don't have to worry too much but... what laws the Elementals lay may not cover some of the things people might still do. From my understanding, it's about not harming the Twelveswood - and yet poachers still thrive without being struck down. And what about violence against one's fellow man - stealing their things or even murdering them doesn't directly harm the Twelveswood and thus I would assume the Elementals wouldn't intercede in that.
Not to mention that an angered Elemental might do more damage than a simple pickpocket, so they could be extra busy to ensure some slip-up doesn't end up with the Lavender Beds being flooded or something.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Erik Mynhier - 02-11-2015
The trick to law enforcement I have found is as simple as shooting a quick PM to the ones fighting/lawbreaking saying, "Hey, I'm a Flame/Sworn IC. You guys need a cop?"
If they say no I just sit and watch the fun. If they say yes, I hit the transformation macro as I move between them to block an incoming hit. Then I cross my arms and talk them out. Secure in the knowledge both IC and OOC that my character is far and away better armed and armored. I don't have to whip it out to measure with them, like a real person who enforces the law. Law enforcement is most times not about excessive force, its about excessive presence.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Desu Nee - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 02:04 PM)Gegenji Wrote:The elementals run on an orange and blue morality, and only care and tend to themselves. Ultimately, the Gridania community is an orchid climbing a tree. Benefitial to them, neutral to the Elelementals. But ultimately, Gods Quiver and Wailers priority is the protection of the florest and that's their ultmost duty. They could interfere as the representant of peace on the florest but that would be considered an individual action, and if the elementals wish said person to die, it will die unless you are an outsider.(02-11-2015, 01:52 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: Agreeing with Das Knee: Wailers and Quivers don't have to worry TOO too much given the Elementals' presence, but I imagine you don't want to run from someone billed a GOD'S BOW. Wailers seem to be focused more on vermin and fauna threats more than anything, but I'm a dusty city boy so I don't know better.
Have there been instances of the Elementals stepping in to backhand someone getting out of line, though? And you say they don't have to worry too much but... what laws the Elementals lay may not cover some of the things people might still do. From my understanding, it's about not harming the Twelveswood - and yet poachers still thrive without being struck down. And what about violence against one's fellow man - stealing their things or even murdering them doesn't directly harm the Twelveswood and thus I would assume the Elementals wouldn't intercede in that.
Not to mention that an angered Elemental might do more damage than a simple pickpocket, so they could be extra busy to ensure some slip-up doesn't end up with the Lavender Beds being flooded or something.
Gods and Wailers will only act in law enforcing if the case is sufficiently big, like the bandit factions in Quarrymill, for they disturb the peace of the florest. Individual cases, they might turn an eye or not, depends on your own luck, rules of nature, son.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - C'kayah Polaali - 02-11-2015
Ultimately, as others have pointed out, you can't force anyone to acknowledge your authority. Because of that, you really have to ensure that you communicate OOCly with the folks you're RPing with - moreso than for other types of RP.
As for how you deal ICly with people who refuse to acknowledge your character? Well, clearly they're deluded. Some guy brags about killing a Blades garrison without accepting consequences? "Oh, that's just poor old Bradley. He hasn't been the same since he was hit on the head last year..."
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Flashhelix - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 02:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Secure in the knowledge both IC and OOC that my character is far and away better armed and armored.Â
Not always true.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Melkire - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 06:19 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:(02-11-2015, 02:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Secure in the knowledge both IC and OOC that my character is far and away better armed and armored.Â
Not always true.
This. Some authority figures are little more than officially-sanctioned Joe Schmoes who don't always have that luxury. See: run-of-the-mill swordsman vs. thaumaturge.
"Mr. Mage, please cooperate. Uh, pardon, ser, I didn't catch that. You'll set me on fire and kill me where I stand if I interfere? Uh...."
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Askier - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 06:29 PM)Melkire Wrote:I see your magic fire and raise you one mega-ton bomb. . .your move bro. :p(02-11-2015, 06:19 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:(02-11-2015, 02:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Secure in the knowledge both IC and OOC that my character is far and away better armed and armored.Â
Not always true.
This. Some authority figures are little more than officially-sanctioned Joe Schmoes who don't always have that luxury. See: run-of-the-mill swordsman vs. thaumaturge.
"Mr. Mage, please cooperate. Uh, pardon, ser, I didn't catch that. You'll set me on fire and kill me where I stand if I interfere? Uh...."
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Melkire - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 06:36 PM)Askier Wrote:(02-11-2015, 06:29 PM)Melkire Wrote: "Mr. Mage, please cooperate. Uh, pardon, ser, I didn't catch that. You'll set me on fire and kill me where I stand if I interfere? Uh...."I see your magic fire and raise you one mega-ton bomb. . .your move bro. :p
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RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Askier - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 06:39 PM)Melkire Wrote:Yes leverage. Thats a fun name of Kanaria with an explosive collar on her neck. . . Â :p(02-11-2015, 06:36 PM)Askier Wrote:(02-11-2015, 06:29 PM)Melkire Wrote: "Mr. Mage, please cooperate. Uh, pardon, ser, I didn't catch that. You'll set me on fire and kill me where I stand if I interfere? Uh...."I see your magic fire and raise you one mega-ton bomb. . .your move bro. :p
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Flashhelix - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 06:29 PM)Melkire Wrote:(02-11-2015, 06:19 PM)Flashhelix Wrote:(02-11-2015, 02:12 PM)Erik Mynhier Wrote: Secure in the knowledge both IC and OOC that my character is far and away better armed and armored.Â
Not always true.
This. Some authority figures are little more than officially-sanctioned Joe Schmoes who don't always have that luxury. See: run-of-the-mill swordsman vs. thaumaturge.
"Mr. Mage, please cooperate. Uh, pardon, ser, I didn't catch that. You'll set me on fire and kill me where I stand if I interfere? Uh...."
In some cases (in other games, that is, I've yet to really experience it here, thankfully) people who RP guards/other forces of the law tend to adopt the mentality of 'I am the lawman here, therefore when I enter a situation, I can't be outsmarted or outfought' which nobody would fault you for if you're say, carrying a couple drunk peasants or street thugs out of the Quicksand, but the problem is when they apply that same mentality to the five halberd-wielding, heavily armored knights around the table, or the arch-wizards over in the corner, and try to dominate everybody.Â
Not that Homeless Joe should be able to bust out the Hokuto Shinken and fight off three Brass Blades, but the law can't win every battle.
RE: Showing and Bowing to Authority - Sounsyy - 02-11-2015
So many things to reply to! Agh!
Um for starters, Sounsyy is a former Barracuda turned Maelstrom Captain. While this doesn't implicitly make her "law enforcement" it does give her standing authority in Limsa and any vessels in the Straight of Merlthor. Most RPers I've run into seem to respect the uniform when I mention I'm a Storm Captain. I've only had to assert her forcefully once, and in that instance I sent the person a /tell asking for permission. They consented and my character gave them a good thrashing. (OMG so many White Knights decended upon us asking if the receiver needed help. I wanted to flash a badge and be like "police business - mind your own.") But yeah, I don't think I'd ever force Sounsyy's "authority" on anyone unless someone came around asking for a Storm Captain to get involved.
As for lore bits, Limsa's kind of a dangerous place to break laws... We have in-game evidence of Yellowjackets taking people into custody for a wide range of things, but we also have Yellowjackets switching to forceful tactics of arrest/restraint to others. A 1.0 Hildibrand quest comes to mind where the Player Character gets the Yellowjackets involved in a weapons smuggler case and the Yellowjackets display a show of force by taking down the smugglers forcefully (weapons drawn, ultimatums shouted as they're running in). Also there's the Trident, where anything goes. Merlwyb and Hyllfyr murder each others' crews in cold blood and both of them are walking free right now. Treason seems to be insta-death penalty per Merlwyb gunning down a bunch of pirates who sold her out to the Garleans. The Dutiful Sisters also seem to kill people quite frequently who break the code. Either that or string em up by their toes out in the bay.
I think the only thing one needs to bring up about Ul'dah's law enforcement is "Brass Blades"... and we can just leave it at that.
Gridania is interesting as its military are also its peacekeepers. The Wood Wailers are tasked specifically with defending the city of Gridania, while the Gods Quiver are tasked with dealing with threats inside the Wood and out. We know there is a form of law enforcement because Gridania has a prison for poachers, arsonists, rapists, and Void-callers, etc. The prison used to be Toto-Rak, until they sealed it up and built a new prison. There's also the Coeurlclaw Poacher Moogle Delivery Quest where we see Wood Wailers... um... exerting their authority on a Keeper Miqo'te. So the law enforcement of Gridania handles threats large and small.
As for the bit about the Elementals not doing anything to the Poachers in Southern Shroud... very interesting lore tidbit was released that Duskwights (and presumably native Keepers as well) are not beholden to the Pact of Gelmorra. Hence why the Gridanians are so prejudiced against those two races. But in 1.0 the Elementals were seen interacting with the Gridanians a lot more than they are seen now. In 1.0 you saw your fair share of incredibly pissed off Elementals seeking to exact their justice against somebody.