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RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Dasair - 02-21-2015
I'll pipe in here to say that I have a character which exclusively does not go to the 'big social' spots like taverns and cities in general. So here's what I did to get some more frequent RP.
It kind of goes along the lines of PMing others, and not only creating a connections thread, but going through other's connection threads, and seeing if someone's character seems interesting to you, that you'd like yours to interact with. Then, sending them a PM on the forums, or a tell in game or something (I prefer the former, personally) could get you some interesting RP with them, if they're willing to set up a time to have your characters meet up. :> 'Welcome' threads are good places too, because you'll find newer players who are just getting into things and eager to RP with someone / get used to RPing, so it can be pretty neat all around.
That said, it takes active effort to open up those connections. In some cases, they'll fall through. But if you keep at it, a fair amount of them won't, and you'll get to play with a decent number of people, some of which are likely to stick.
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Kurt S. - 02-21-2015
Must...not...splode...must...not..remember...Kurt's..initial..weeks..of futile RPing...
Anyway, honestly what I do is uhhh hmmm
/tell to win. Probe it OOCly see if they're receptive. Ask if you can join. I'm sure people have already said this before but I don't think I can stress OOC communication enough for ANY RP. Granted, it's a hit or miss method(I speak from experience) it's also the most reliable and surefire way to get into some of it.Â
...right up until someone else they know shows up and then they abandon you mid RP with an exit that doesn't make sense or no exit at all....
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Magellan - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 08:20 PM)sforze Wrote: I emote, I introduce myself, I ask if I can sit, I give very large margins for response...I really do feel like I've done pretty much everything by the book, with a few exceptional things that I can try going forward (PMing people, etc.)Welp, this might sound like a copout answer, but it could be a case of tunnel vision. I've been rping with groups in which someone is trying to get our attention, and more often than not, I am the only one who responds.
I RP in the Quicksand, in the Drowning Wench, the Bismarck, in housing districts, at planned events -- I write with my usual partner fairly openly out in the world at random, as well. Honestly, even if people would emote ignoring my attempts to say hi, I would feel a bit better about the whole situation if it really is a case of "being approached on the bus"...but nope. ;( Like I said, I'm mindful of chatspam, and these are incidences typically happening during periods of lower activity in the log.
At any rate, I'm glad I'm not a lone ranger in encountering this kind of thing. I've been in other RP communities and I know that it's easy to rest on the groups you're comfortable with, but hopefully if nothing else, this is a helpful reminder to occasionally look outside your circles, too? I am super-pumped about how big the Balmung community is (honestly the biggest RP community in an MMO I've encountered so far, so good work everyone), now I'm just trying to get a foothold!
Why? Because I was the only one in the group actually aware we were getting talked to. I think a lot of people literally hone in on the people their character knows, and disregards the rest as clutter. Mostly because it is VERY hard to keep tabs on proceedings in a crowded area. It is also draining, if you are trying to keep up several conversations at once.
PMs absolutely solve this. Nothing cuts through the clutter like a bright line of purple text, accompanied by a chirruping sound. I've been the one trying to get people's attention, and more often than not have had to resort to pm's. I've been in situations where I've felt like I was being ignored, only to PM someone, and have them give genuine surprise that I was trying to enter the scene, and be really nice about it in their replies (even if they sometimes say they are kind've busy with the scene)
I did notice you had posted several connection threads. Not quite sure what to say about why they haven't been answered. I will say that absolutely cliques exist, but it's not the bad nor derogatory things it's often made out to be. Characters have close friends. People OOCly have close friends they enjoy rping with a lot. In fact, I'd say the goal of every rper is to find that sweet spot... that group where they are at the forefront of the action. I think as a community it's polite courtesy to help each other find that sweet spot... but it's not always going to happen right away, unfortunately. Sometimes characters just 'click', and sometimes you go through horrible dryspells :/
I like Dasair's suggestions, and I'd consider taking some of those up, along with more PMs or tells in game. Oftentimes the most work in rp is during the beginning. Finding that group or story you can plug into. But once you find it things will often get a lot easier and a lot more interesting. May I also suggestion perusing the linkshells forum and trying to make some acquaintances that way?
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - K'nahli - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 06:58 PM)sforze Wrote: Chalk it up to a rough week of RP attempts, but I've been struggling lately to interact with others in character and actually get responses. I've approached a lot of people, asked them questions, and tried to generate conversation but it seems there are a lot of cliques and groups that kind of stick together and are difficult to breach that goes beyond just IC reasoning (which I totally understand - clearly some people have good reasons to be cold).
Aside from that, in worst cases, my emotes and text get ignored all together by other roleplayers (even when they're directed at someone by name) and I'm left feeling awkward and unwelcome. This has happened quite a bit in the last few days, as well -- they're not AFK, there's no chatspam making it difficult to follow, they just...don't...respond.
I guess I'm not sure what I hope to accomplish by posting this except maybe there's someone else who's having a similar trouble who can relate? Or maybe I'm a weird, freak occurrence and I'm giving off bad vibes or something, idk! I'm not looking for any kind of 'boohoo, poor me', just hoping for a bit of insight or camaraderie or something.
In any case, I'm still trying and putting myself out there, I just hope things take a turn for the better soon.
People occasionally make posts like these and while I don't really have much experience either way, I do empathise with it ;Â Â It must be a horrible feeling to have your attempts refuted but all I can really suggest is that you keep trying and perhaps look for connections ahead of time on the forum here and organise meetings in-game and hope that randoms might join in with your group(perhaps that's more appealing to some?)
On an unrelated note, are you by chance married to Trenton Cador?
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Kurt S. - 02-21-2015
Also if it makes you feel better, Fina, someone dubbed as peppy and motivated as me almost always gets shot down...like 90% of the time. So you're not alone! But I also know you don't want to RP with Kurt no moar ;_; But at least you're not alone!
Just keep throwing yourself at it...and if it gets too tiring, hey at least you have Trent to be with. Also OCC communication for the wine! I mean win!
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - sforze - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 09:05 PM)K Wrote: On an unrelated note, are you by chance married to Trenton Cador?
Yep! Newly married this week~ Currently enjoying the privileges of dropping in on each other with ring-teleportation unannounced.
I do agree that cliques and friend groups aren't inherently bad things -- I hope I haven't given that impression, because...well, obviously they're inevitable and it's bananas to tell people not to hang out with people they like on a regular basis and give them your attention. That'd be nuts~ I just think it's important not to rest into a 'got mine' state of mind and forget that other people exist outside the circle.
Whatever the case, this thread has been plenty helpful and has given me a lot to think about, so I appreciate all the responses that have come from it.
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - K'nahli - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 09:29 PM)sforze Wrote:(02-21-2015, 09:05 PM)K Wrote: On an unrelated note, are you by chance married to Trenton Cador?
Yep! Newly married this week~ Currently enjoying the privileges of dropping in on each other with ring-teleportation unannounced.
I do agree that cliques and friend groups aren't inherently bad things -- I hope I haven't given that impression, because...well, obviously they're inevitable and it's bananas to tell people not to hang out with people they like on a regular basis and give them your attention. That'd be nuts~ I just think it's important not to rest into a 'got mine' state of mind and forget that other people exist outside the circle.
Whatever the case, this thread has been plenty helpful and has given me a lot to think about, so I appreciate all the responses that have come from it.
Ahhh, hahaha. I was eavesdropping on his RP in the Quicksand for the past while and I noticed that you had the same (first) name that he mentioned. He's still there with three other people if you are interested and you don't know already. Although, at least two of them -may- be leaving soon. They sounded as though they were wrapping up until the fourth person came along.
Alothia was here too but it seems she left.
I don't typically RP in-game, but even should Trenton intend on leaving soon then I could try and set something up for you if I use a random character to perhaps act rudely to you... hopefully to garner the attention(and intervention) of onlookers? (I'll try and think of a softer means too, haha ; )
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Kage - 02-21-2015
As I have taken an RP sabbatical if you will and don't know what the current RP situation is, I will say what I -think- may happen.
Some people are so inundated with very chatty Linkshells that though you may not have seen the chat as fast-scrolling theirs may be. I've had this same thing happen to me. Outside of RP. try to contact someone and not get a response past 30min later.
Another factor may just be tunnel visioning. Sometimes it's very easy to pay attention to the current group or persons that one is interacting with that they don't pay attention to other people emoting or directing conversation at them. (they may be only checking what people they know may be saying etc.)
Alt+tabbing is very real so unless they already have an idea that you may have said something to them (tunnel visioning) they may not notice it either.
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Aya - 02-21-2015
Be positive! Be friendly! Communicate! (especially be positive and friendly when speaking OOC! Sometimes unfriendly characters can be fun, but they'll have more trouble making friends!)
Just keep trying, you'll have success :-]
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Volk - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 09:48 PM)Aya Wrote: Be positive! Be friendly! Communicate! (especially be positive and friendly when speaking OOC! Sometimes unfriendly characters can be fun, but they'll have more trouble making friends!)
Just keep trying, you'll have success :-]
So much this ^^^^
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - sforze - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 09:40 PM)K Wrote:(02-21-2015, 09:29 PM)sforze Wrote:(02-21-2015, 09:05 PM)K Wrote: On an unrelated note, are you by chance married to Trenton Cador?
Yep! Newly married this week~ Currently enjoying the privileges of dropping in on each other with ring-teleportation unannounced.
I do agree that cliques and friend groups aren't inherently bad things -- I hope I haven't given that impression, because...well, obviously they're inevitable and it's bananas to tell people not to hang out with people they like on a regular basis and give them your attention. That'd be nuts~ I just think it's important not to rest into a 'got mine' state of mind and forget that other people exist outside the circle.
Whatever the case, this thread has been plenty helpful and has given me a lot to think about, so I appreciate all the responses that have come from it.
Ahhh, hahaha. I was eavesdropping on his RP in the Quicksand for the past while and I noticed that you had the same (first) name that he mentioned. He's still there with three other people if you are interested and you don't know already. Although, at least two of them -may- be leaving soon. They sounded as though they were wrapping up until the fourth person came along.
Alothia was here too but it seems she left.
I don't typically RP in-game, but even should Trenton intend on leaving soon then I could try and set something up for you if I use a random character to perhaps act rudely to you... hopefully to garner the attention(and intervention) of onlookers? (I'll try and think of a softer means too, haha ;; )
Yaaaas, everyone who's offered to write with me should consider inundating his grumpy old man character, as well 8) Especially if you want a heartfelt lecture on 'young men these days'.
I'mma toss some friend invites out -- I'm taking a bit of a break at the moment to get up the enthusiasm to write again, but I'd loooove to get some things going then, even if you just wanna be a lil shit to Fina IC...which is probably the easiest thing you'll do all week because she is VERY easily rustled. <3
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - K'nahli - 02-21-2015
I don't think I would play mean characters very well to be honest *laughs*Â
It was honestly just a suggestion in the hopes that it will indirectly invite people to become involved but if you think I can be of any use to help you initiate with others then feel free to ask (^^/
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - TheBlob - 02-21-2015
Andralyn needs to RP with Fina and Trenton again. That was quite the enjoyable, random bit of shenanigans.Â
...And Daphine may be in need of another to pick brains with about all things alchemical!
We should set something up!
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - Gaspard - 02-21-2015
OOC communication, for sure.
While some may frown upon it as 'hardcore, always 24/7 in character' roleplayers, I personally understand OOC communication both as backbone and 'must-have' for roleplay to nurture and prosper in a good way.Â
Another good suggestion ; Many roleplayers post on their profiles (Right Click / Examine player] tagging themselves as Roleplayer, and noting whether walk ups are welcome or not. Often times such hints alone are very valuable for you to see if there's some RP potential, so just check player profiles ingame from time to times.
RE: Cliques and RP Etiquette - sforze - 02-21-2015
(02-21-2015, 10:44 PM)ShayRei Wrote: Andralyn needs to RP with Fina and Trenton again. That was quite the enjoyable, random bit of shenanigans.ÂÂ
...And Daphine may be in need of another to pick brains with about all things alchemical!
We should set something up!
Yeeees do this! I've also got some plot bits up and coming with regards to alchemy that I'm pretty excited about, so there's much to speak of!
