(03-11-2015, 01:32 PM)Fai Wrote: So far for Au Ra, I have held a discussion about this on tumblr: Rpers have mentioned using glamours to hide their race because of the racism and stigma Eorzean society has against them, and they will reveal themselves come 3.0. I've also heard stories with something about being possessed by a dravanian/dragon soul or something. There were a lot of ideas.  (thankfully nobody's popped in with "I'm Shiva's baby" so y'know that's always a plus.)

Also Warren you posted like as I hit reply so: I can see your point, but I also say that maybe she has her own reasons? I dunno. Glamouring seems relatively easy for people though, given how many times it happens during the storyline and junk. So i'd imagine Au Ra or any other race would have just as easy a time.

(03-11-2015, 10:45 AM)Fai Wrote: 1.)  The "likelihood" of Hyur as an Ishgardian? (I was informed that there are hyur that are born in Ishgard and that they are in good standing with the Elezen there, that some even hold positions of power and all are generally very well respected.)  I ask about this in regards to Midlander Hyur Male.

2.) How likely is it for him to be of relatively higher social status there, mostly due to respect and such for his actions int he field? (I never really looked into making his pedigree so I'm not sure how nobility or anything works in Ishgard.)

3.) Somewhat related to #2: I know most of the stuff out here is Dragoon related. If he does have a high respect because of his actions in battle, is it better story-wise if he was a Dragoon, or can he remain a War/Pld?  

4.) Because of Ishgards hatred for Dravanian/Dragons/whatever the proper term is here, it's highly likely that if this Hyur loved and married an Au Ri that Isghard would be like aw hell no and stuff, right?  (I'm aware there isn't much lore for Au Ra yet so I am treading lightly on this and not really setting any of this stuff in stone until I can hopefully get more info).

5.) The idea was that this characters mother (Who I've never RPed in the picture much as it is) was hauled off after her relationship with this Hyur was known. The fact there was offspring wasn't known, so the Father fled to Limsa with the child.  (Remarrying and such early on in the child's life, leaving her with the history I've already written out on her wiki). SO, with this knowledge, I wondered if Fantasia-ing is a legit RP thing in most circles (I have seen it RPed, but mostly in smaller friend circles. But, basically, this would be a thing in all circles I RP her in so...)

The idea with that was that she was Fantasia'd as a baby for her own safety. To be honest I have no explanation as to why she'd be fantasia'd into a Miqo'te and not a Hyur (her original history/story is that she is half hyur, half sunseeker) beyond "oops that didn't go totally as planned".

(03-11-2015, 01:44 PM)Warren Castille Wrote:

(03-11-2015, 01:32 PM)Fai Wrote: So far for Au Ra, I have held a discussion about this on tumblr: Rpers have mentioned using glamours to hide their race because of the racism and stigma Eorzean society has against them, and they will reveal themselves come 3.0. I've also heard stories with something about being possessed by a dravanian/dragon soul or something. There were a lot of ideas.  (thankfully nobody's popped in with "I'm Shiva's baby" so y'know that's always a plus.)

Also Warren you posted like as I hit reply so: I can see your point, but I also say that maybe she has her own reasons? I dunno. Glamouring seems relatively easy for people though, given how many times it happens during the storyline and junk. So i'd imagine Au Ra or any other race would have just as easy a time.

I want to expand on this because in my heart, I am a metagaming powergaming tabletop story destroyer. I'm going to spin a lot of hypothetical here so I should be easy to dismiss.

To my knowledge, the only people we see under sustained glamour is the enemy during the Coerthas arc who "turns" into a dragon and, by proxy, the heretics in Stone Vigil who also transform into aevis. The only other forms of glamour that I can think of comes from levequests, where you are tasked with using powder on disguised enemies, and during the Hildibrand story. I'm not sure if they ever overtly call that glamour, though, and just allude to the culprit being a master of disguise.

Anyway, here's where it gets questionable for me: Similar to fantasia being use to change race involuntarily, glamour becomes immensely horrifying as it becomes freely available. If it is as easy to come across as you'd think, there's no doubt that anyone of importance would have been long, long assassinated by spies posing as well-meaning friends. A fake Raubahn to kill the Sultana, a fake Sultana to kill Raubahn, any Maelstrom leaders to off Merlwyb, etcetera. As soon as glamour becomes freely available to so many hidden people, the Garleans win, plain and simple, the war is over years ago. The MSQ already revealed there are spies in high places.

My issue with so many advocating the idea of "I've always been X, I just illusioned myself into being Y" is that it's just... well, cheap. What happens to the horns? Is it just illusion, like the kind used by imps during leves? Has your character ever been in a fight? Imp glamour immediately dispels when disrupted physically.

Maybe your glamour is actual metamorphoses then? Okay... What's the point of fantasia again, if we have sustainable magic able to change your body? Is it only temporary? If so, it's awfully convenient to only have it wear off when in private.

I know it sounds like I'm just frowning on this, but that's because I am I do have a small idea. The base character you're wanting to change, you mentioned they only have been used in small circles? Consider just plain retconning him, then. That's what lots of people did for 1.0>2.0 and it worked mostly because of the real world time gap. If the only folks you've roleplayed with are cool with it, it's a lot easier to say they are and have always been an Au Ra then it is to suddenly change and backpedal to explain it.

If that's not an option... Have you considered just changing the base character anyway and then turning that identity into an NPC? Again, if it's a small circle it might not be unbearable. Relegate them to skype sessions or something.

I mean, ultimately it's up to you, but I hate to see such a flimsy justification get used when you're strongly attached and set upon only having a few characters. A strong foundation is important for longstays, and this isn't one in my opinion.