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RE: Ishgardian exile looking for someone to help her get back in. - Verad - 06-12-2015
A couple of questions before I jump in with any concrete suggestions:
- You say she's "technically considered" to be a heretic. Having read over your wiki, it appears that she's got a mix of guilt-by-association with somebody convicted of heresy compounding her actual crime of fleeing a work camp. It is not clear if she is an actual no-fooling hail Dravania full-of-scales heretic. Is her current legal state the result of bad luck and the wheels of Ishgardian justice catching her between the cogs, or is she genuinely heretical?
- Is it necessary that she maintain the same identity she had in Ishgard prior to her escape, and if not, is there any reason she would not attempt to forge a new identity in order to get in?
- Why does she want to go back to Ishgard specifically, instead of establishing herself as well-off in any of the other city-states?
RE: Ishgardian exile looking for someone to help her get back in. - McBeefâ„¢ - 06-12-2015
I question if Heresy can be cleared away like an overdue parking ticket.
I wrote a background of heresy and exile into my own character, and as the expansion came out, her story caused her to cast her eyes.... Heavensward.
The issue was I couldn't really figure out a good justification for the xenophobic and highly religious society of Ishgard forgiving my character's mistakes of the past. At the end of the day, it's your character, but perhaps its more interesting to have the issue unresolved? Perhaps she could sneak in, and work in secret, or under a false identity. Perhaps it could be covered up, only to be uncovered later.
I found that the heresy thing was too interesting and core of a concept to handwave, and you might want to consider the pros/cons of using something traumatic as that as a one off RP hook. As Verad says, there is a certain amount of desperation and foolishness in returning to a city that wants you dead on sight, and why she would go back anyway is a very interesting question to help you define your character.
RE: Ishgardian exile looking for someone to help her get back in. - K'nahli - 06-12-2015
As informative and well-written as all of these posts were, I think the OP isn't very interested in hearing reasons for why such a scenario can't/would be incredibly difficult to work.
With that said, unless I am misreading your feelings on the matter OP, please refrain from further conversation that does not tie into you showing interest in participating in such a plot. It's a thread for making connections after all ^^
In any case, I don't think anyone meant badly by their contribution to your thread and were merely trying to help you both understand the difficulties associated with the concept as well as using it as a medium to expand upon their own opinions on the matter.
Please correct me if I am wrong however, and good luck with your plot should you follow through ^^
RE: Ishgardian exile looking for someone to help her get back in. - Verad - 06-12-2015
(06-12-2015, 04:46 PM)Natalie Mcbeef Wrote: I question if Heresy can be cleared away like an overdue parking ticket.
I wrote a background of heresy and exile into my own character, and as the expansion came out, her story caused her to cast her eyes.... Heavensward.
The issue was I couldn't really figure out a good justification for the xenophobic and highly religious society of Ishgard forgiving my character's mistakes of the past. At the end of the day, it's your character, but perhaps its more interesting to have the issue unresolved? Perhaps she could sneak in, and work in secret, or under a false identity. Perhaps it could be covered up, only to be uncovered later.
I found that the heresy thing was too interesting and core of a concept to handwave, and you might want to consider the pros/cons of using something traumatic as that as a one off RP hook. As Verad says, there is a certain amount of desperation and foolishness in returning to a city that wants you dead on sight, and why she would go back anyway is a very interesting question to help you define your character.
I think you're misreading me slightly, but that's understandable given how the thread started. My goal is more to understand the details of her situation before providing any specific suggestions for going back than to implicitly say "You can have what you want without going back to Ishgard, so don't do it."
The fact that people might be mean to her if she goes to Ishgard is fine; I'm told that's some of that conflict thing people are all about, and I doubt the society is going to be portrayed as so uniformly absolutist that there can be no possible leeway for her if she goes back as-is. Placing bets on a questline dealing with somebody harboring unjustly accused heretics even now.
Personally I think working with a false identity is her best bet, and to that end OP might be able to find some good criminal groups to help her achieve that and get her into the city on the sly. There's also some good cat-and-mouse to be done there as she maintains the charade in the face of questions and skepticism from the locals.
RE: Ishgardian exile looking for someone to help her get back in. - Zelmanov - 06-12-2015
I think someone as a courtesan/escort in Ishgardian society may actually be able to weasel their ways into upper echelons. Most likely in OP's case, under an assumed name. Maybe you can look for a noble to entrance. One only needs to look at France and Italy to see how ladies of company accrued power.
If Ophelie wishes the opulence but not the reputation, she could realistically return under an assumed name and work her way back up. The part of fiction and convenience means that of course someone will be sweet on her.
Believe me, it'd be much easier than trying to overturn a heretical judgement if she was really deemed as such.
just 2 cents