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RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - MrPoopyButtHole - 06-11-2015
If you do decide to go through with this I know a certain crazy cat that would let his 'Blooker' do anything to him. Poor Naoh'a...RIP.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - RiniKett - 06-11-2015
Personally, the idea sounds pretty neat. It would have obsticls to go around, but it makes a nice origin story. They might even grow to hate you ICly. Oh I love stories and drama.
I might have an alt interested in giving it a go.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - LadyRochester - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 09:11 AM)ForbieJD Wrote: If you do decide to go through with this I know a certain crazy cat that would let his 'Blooker' do anything to him. Poor Naoh'a...RIP.
LMAO, she would feel terrible. Naoh'a is like that little child she wants to take care of, but... If he shows interest, she might comply. Might. To something tiny. She wouldn't take big risks with the crazy cat.
(06-11-2015, 09:13 AM)RiniKett Wrote: Personally, the idea sounds pretty neat. It would have obsticls to go around, but it makes a nice origin story. They might even grow to hate you ICly. Oh I love stories and drama.
I might have an alt interested in giving it a go.
Plenty of people hate Rochester already, a couple more won't hurt!
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - LadyRochester - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 09:10 AM)Gegenji Wrote: That would be fair. After all, we don't know how many pages of formulae are needed for each spell. I know in DnD, the higher level the spell, the more pages it took to scribe in one's spellbook. Which would make sense - channeling more aether for a larger or more powerful effect would likely require additional computation and calculation.
So that could be a balancing factor. One could tattoo the effects of a small spell without taking up too much surface area, but something like a perpetual Stoneskin or Protect field would require quite a bit more. I would figure making something perpetual instead of cast and done would require additional calculations as well to make it self-sustaining anyway, would would add to the length of the formula (and thus, the size of the tattoo).
Exactly my thought. I'd think the more complex the bigger and more intricate the design gets, though this unfortunately means more potential pain for the subject. Oh well! It would be their choice to be a willing subject, so whining about pain too much will be met with a massive eye roll, unless she has a tiny bit of affection for the character.
Yes, she's kind of a bitch.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Gegenji - 06-11-2015
Actually, if you want to pull reference from it, there's actually even a Craft Magic Tattoo feat in DnD. It covers usage, power of the spell inscribed, price, and brings up another potential matter - multiple aetheric tattoos.
Size and complexity of the tattoo aside, would using one's own body as a medium cause issue if you have more than one? Also, what if the person has a natural aetheric ability - such as the ability to sense aether... or the Echo? Would these tattoos need to be modified to account for that?
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Mountie - 06-11-2015
So we're going Warded Man, ARR-style? I approve.
I think the one thing that I would have to argue for utilizing the Arcanima styled magick would be that the body is not flat. Technically any design drawn on the skin is rounded, as well as slightly obscured by the veins, muscle, fat, etc. even if one were to find an imaginary flat part on their body. When coupled against the precision with which one can be assured is necessary to enact these spells (Wet book = Ruined book), I just don't believe it would be theoretically possible to pull it off.
Perhaps you can get a weaker effect than that of a precise algorithm, or a chance for it to fail? I also don't think you could put it on many places of the body as well, we don't have too surfaces that can even remotely be considered flat. Of course, you could always just put the "REASONS" stamp on it, sport a full sleeve of tattoos, and I'll see myself out for over-analyzing the idea.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Lilia Lia - 06-11-2015
I love the flavour of the idea. It reminds me of how heraldic wizards in Star Ocean had symbols tattooed on their body for power. Â
I wonder if you could find a way of using /random to determine the outcome of specific instances or something. Some people would gain powers, some people would gain injuries, rolling a 001 means permanent loss of limb. I'm probably being silly.
Actually the best way to go about this would be to have a bit of back-and-forth shared creativity between you and the person receiving the tattoo. You would determine how you intend the experiment to work out, and perhaps the other roleplayer would decide how their body actually reacted to it. Since you have the freedom to be choosy about whom you experiment on, you should be able to do some basic quality control to get around the worry that you'll simply be giving people "Mary Sue implants." It would be neat if you afforded your subjects the RP freedom to throw you some curve balls that you would then have to incorporate into your data.
The risk of course is that you are going to be drawing conclusions entirely from fan-made lore, so again, I'd be careful about choosing participants to make sure they are not going to be completely unreasonable or lore-breaking.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Caspar - 06-11-2015
I think it might work, as long as a caster is able to maintain it. If you mean giving a person without magic skill the ability to cast spells, I would imagine their own potential for aether manipulation would limit this, or even make it potentially dangerous. This seems like artificially "grafting" your casting ability onto a body that isn't used to it, so side effects should be expected.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - shotgunbadger - 06-11-2015
For my own view I think this is more than possible but 1) the tats would probably be visible, I can't imagine anything in the alchemist made ink makes it go stealth mode when you put it on skin, and 2) I'd personally limit it pretty heavy because you're basically putting the magic version of a highly experimental weapon on your body. I can't really imagine that's safe, even if you're not constantly drawing from your own aether whenever you use it, you're still conducting powerful forces directly through your body. I'd personally go that route for maybe one or two 'signature spells' that the character would basically want to have constant access to in case of emergency or something.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Yangh - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 10:25 AM)shotgunbadger Wrote: For my own view I think this is more than possible but 1) the tats would probably be visible, I can't imagine anything in the alchemist made ink makes it go stealth mode when you put it on skin, and 2) I'd personally limit it pretty heavy because you're basically putting the magic version of a highly experimental weapon on your body. I can't really imagine that's safe, even if you're not constantly drawing from your own aether whenever you use it, you're still conducting powerful forces directly through your body. I'd personally go that route for maybe one or two 'signature spells' that the character would basically want to have constant access to in case of emergency or something.
Out of everything we've seen in Eorzea you draw the line at not being able to make invisible, aether conducting ink?
Given what we know about Conjury and Thaumaturgy, their job counter parts, Monks and Summoning, using the body to conduct aether is infact safe if done correctly.
As we know, drawing from your own aether heavily is extremely dangerous. The only job that really goes against that is the Monk but the Monks use Chakras, which I believe is something different and aside from Aether... but I'm not sure? I should ask Sounsyy or someone about that.
I see where you're coming from but lore within the game world heavily disagrees with you. I do agree it should have some sort of payment to its use though, be it fatigue or whatever.
[Edited because I fail at reading today!]
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - LadyRochester - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 10:49 AM)Yangh Wrote:(06-11-2015, 10:25 AM)shotgunbadger Wrote: For my own view I think this is more than possible but 1) the tats would probably be visible, I can't imagine anything in the alchemist made ink makes it go stealth mode when you put it on skin, and 2) I'd personally limit it pretty heavy because you're basically putting the magic version of a highly experimental weapon on your body. I can't really imagine that's safe, even if you're not constantly drawing from your own aether whenever you use it, you're still conducting powerful forces directly through your body. I'd personally go that route for maybe one or two 'signature spells' that the character would basically want to have constant access to in case of emergency or something.
Out of everything we've seen in Eorzea you draw the line at not being able to make invisible, aether conducting ink?
Given what we know about Conjury and Thaumaturgy, their job counter parts, Monks and Summoning, you don't believe that using the body to conduct aether is not only safe (which it is) and that drawing on your own aether all the time would be safer? I cite the Conjurer story quest here because its been shown time and time again that powering spells with just your own aether is particularly bad and dangerous.
Quite the contrary, drawing from your own aether heavily is extremely dangerous. The only job that really goes against that is the Monk but the Monks use Chakras, which I believe is something different and aside from Aether... but I'm not sure? I should ask Sounsyy or someone about that.
I see where you're coming from but lore within the game world heavily disagrees with you. I do agree it should have some sort of payment to its use though, be it fatigue or whatever.
(Apologies, typing from my cellphone.)
Lore-wise; using your own aether is safe, thaumaturges and arcanists use their own aether aka. Mana pool. In the conjurer storyline, Sylphie was using her
life force, not her mana, hence why it harmed her!Â
As for sorecery aka. "Magic without a medium/weapon" it's used multiple times in the MSQ, even in minor plotlines by minor characters, so, technically, some spells are possible without the necessity of a medium, I do believe it's bound to be more unstable though.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Nero - 06-11-2015
While I don't think it's completely impossible, it's certainly impractical for a few reasons.
Firstly, the magical inks used to empower arcanist grimoires use metallic bases such as gold and electrum that conduct the flow of aether which, if we follow standard real world logic, would be highly toxic to embed in the skin. What that means isn't that the spell wouldn't work, just that the spell in question wouldn't be able to be enhanced by the ink that is used. You could use ordinary plant-based ink to tattoo the design onto a body, but it would be fairly weak since it lacks the amplification of the inks.Â
Secondly, the designs in arcanist grimoires are more like cheat sheets than anything else. They're one part reference, two parts program so that the arcanist can easily draw the geometry in their head to focus and shape their aether into a spell, because otherwise the geometries are very complex and ostensibly difficult to memorize. If you were to put one of these designs on your body, you would have to place them somewhere that is easy for you to see in order to reference the spell and form the geometry in your head. Having one of these tattoos on your back, for example, would be completely pointless because you wouldn't be able to see the design and thus won't be able to visualize it in a reasonable amount of time.
With all of that said, like I stated above, it's not impossible. You could put a geometry for a small spell on the back of your hand, for example. So long as you manage to accurately capture the details of the geometries, you could use it to fire off a few weak spells without the need for a grimoire. It'd also be possible to place a geometry on your forearm, so long as you drew it in a way that you could visualize the design accurately enough for the spell to work.
Also, it's suggested that grimoires themselves in addition to the inks used to draw the designs amplify arcane magic, so without metallic inks or the grimoires, a user would have to pour a great deal of their personal aether into the spell in order to make it reasonably powerful. A normal arcanist draws from their store of aether--their MP, basically--and visualizes the design from a reference within the grimoire. The designs within grimoire and the metallic inks used to draw that design shape the aether into the desired spell amplify the effect of the spell as it is cast. An arcanist using tattoos would lack the enhancement of the grimoire, so it'd be pretty draining even for simple spells.
So with all of that in mind, it's not impossible or implausible, but it is a bit impractical. An arcanist spell prepared in this manner with body tattoos would be more of an emergency measure or backup weapon than anything else, like a pocket pistol or derringer.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Yangh - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 11:00 AM)LadyRochester Wrote:(06-11-2015, 10:49 AM)Yangh Wrote:(06-11-2015, 10:25 AM)shotgunbadger Wrote: For my own view I think this is more than possible but 1) the tats would probably be visible, I can't imagine anything in the alchemist made ink makes it go stealth mode when you put it on skin, and 2) I'd personally limit it pretty heavy because you're basically putting the magic version of a highly experimental weapon on your body. I can't really imagine that's safe, even if you're not constantly drawing from your own aether whenever you use it, you're still conducting powerful forces directly through your body. I'd personally go that route for maybe one or two 'signature spells' that the character would basically want to have constant access to in case of emergency or something.
Out of everything we've seen in Eorzea you draw the line at not being able to make invisible, aether conducting ink?
Given what we know about Conjury and Thaumaturgy, their job counter parts, Monks and Summoning, you don't believe that using the body to conduct aether is not only safe (which it is) and that drawing on your own aether all the time would be safer? I cite the Conjurer story quest here because its been shown time and time again that powering spells with just your own aether is particularly bad and dangerous.
Quite the contrary, drawing from your own aether heavily is extremely dangerous. The only job that really goes against that is the Monk but the Monks use Chakras, which I believe is something different and aside from Aether... but I'm not sure? I should ask Sounsyy or someone about that.
I see where you're coming from but lore within the game world heavily disagrees with you. I do agree it should have some sort of payment to its use though, be it fatigue or whatever.
(Apologies, typing from my cellphone.)
Lore-wise; using your own aether is safe, thaumaturges and arcanists use their own aether aka. Mana pool. In the conjurer storyline, Sylphie was using her
life force, not her mana, hence why it harmed her!Â
As for sorecery aka. "Magic without a medium/weapon" it's used multiple times in the MSQ, even in minor plotlines by minor characters, so, technically, some spells are possible without the necessity of a medium, I do believe it's bound to be more unstable though.
I was under the impression that THM's cycle aether between umbral and astral, using their body as a conduit. My memory on the how and why are slightly fuzzy but I thought that like CNJ, the majority of aether is borrowed from an external source when casting.
I also thought that Mana is aether is life-force?
I need to consult the Sounsyy as I could be entirely wrong here. @w@
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - shotgunbadger - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 10:49 AM)Yangh Wrote:(06-11-2015, 10:25 AM)shotgunbadger Wrote: For my own view I think this is more than possible but 1) the tats would probably be visible, I can't imagine anything in the alchemist made ink makes it go stealth mode when you put it on skin, and 2) I'd personally limit it pretty heavy because you're basically putting the magic version of a highly experimental weapon on your body. I can't really imagine that's safe, even if you're not constantly drawing from your own aether whenever you use it, you're still conducting powerful forces directly through your body. I'd personally go that route for maybe one or two 'signature spells' that the character would basically want to have constant access to in case of emergency or something.
Out of everything we've seen in Eorzea you draw the line at not being able to make invisible, aether conducting ink?
Given what we know about Conjury and Thaumaturgy, their job counter parts, Monks and Summoning, using the body to conduct aether is infact safe if done correctly.
As we know, drawing from your own aether heavily is extremely dangerous. The only job that really goes against that is the Monk but the Monks use Chakras, which I believe is something different and aside from Aether... but I'm not sure? I should ask Sounsyy or someone about that.
I see where you're coming from but lore within the game world heavily disagrees with you. I do agree it should have some sort of payment to its use though, be it fatigue or whatever.
[Edited because I fail at reading today!]
I dunno the invisible ink bit just feels weird, I'm not saying definitely don't do it just that I can't see it.
Aether is safe to draw on but it seems that every class that does it does so through conduits and all, staves and formula in books and all. That makes it feel like to me that there needs to be some level of divide between the 'battery' and the product, to focus it and all. It feels to me like it'd be dangerous to just 'focus' it through your own body, because then you're just taking raw energy and forcing it through your own self to refine it down better.
Like, I know this is 100% headcanon and all but to me the reason why your weapons take damage as a mage and all is because you're focusing all this wild energy through them and that causes strain. If you take that and apply it to your body that'd reasonably hurt like shit, wouldn't it?
Just to be clear I think the idea is really cool and the OP should 100% go with it.
RE: RP Idea: Is this too crazy? Feedback wanted! - Yangh - 06-11-2015
(06-11-2015, 11:14 AM)shotgunbadger Wrote:(06-11-2015, 10:49 AM)Yangh Wrote:(06-11-2015, 10:25 AM)shotgunbadger Wrote: For my own view I think this is more than possible but 1) the tats would probably be visible, I can't imagine anything in the alchemist made ink makes it go stealth mode when you put it on skin, and 2) I'd personally limit it pretty heavy because you're basically putting the magic version of a highly experimental weapon on your body. I can't really imagine that's safe, even if you're not constantly drawing from your own aether whenever you use it, you're still conducting powerful forces directly through your body. I'd personally go that route for maybe one or two 'signature spells' that the character would basically want to have constant access to in case of emergency or something.
Out of everything we've seen in Eorzea you draw the line at not being able to make invisible, aether conducting ink?
Given what we know about Conjury and Thaumaturgy, their job counter parts, Monks and Summoning, using the body to conduct aether is infact safe if done correctly.
As we know, drawing from your own aether heavily is extremely dangerous. The only job that really goes against that is the Monk but the Monks use Chakras, which I believe is something different and aside from Aether... but I'm not sure? I should ask Sounsyy or someone about that.
I see where you're coming from but lore within the game world heavily disagrees with you. I do agree it should have some sort of payment to its use though, be it fatigue or whatever.
[Edited because I fail at reading today!]
I dunno the invisible ink bit just feels weird, I'm not saying definitely don't do it just that I can't see it.
Aether is safe to draw on but it seems that every class that does it does so through conduits and all, staves and formula in books and all. That makes it feel like to me that there needs to be some level of divide between the 'battery' and the product, to focus it and all. It feels to me like it'd be dangerous to just 'focus' it through your own body, because then you're just taking raw energy and forcing it through your own self to refine it down better.
Like, I know this is 100% headcanon and all but to me the reason why your weapons take damage as a mage and all is because you're focusing all this wild energy through them and that causes strain. If you take that and apply it to your body that'd reasonably hurt like shit, wouldn't it?
Just to be clear I think the idea is really cool and the OP should 100% go with it.
I would say that depends on the method used. Within your head cannon you damn right it would hurt like a bitch but at the same time Monks and Paladins do exactly what with their arts.
I mean, I know the Paladin arts are likely less strain on the body but I can't imagine the way Monks throw their aether and chakra around to be subtle at all.
All in all, its a cool concept, plenty of info and ideas to get it off the ground. I hope it all goes well!