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RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Pascaleret - 03-15-2016
I once paid the WoL 300 gil to pick some flowers for me. Y'know, back before he was a big famous hero.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Sin - 03-15-2016
This is interesting.
What do you all do when MSQ events necessitate knowledge of the WoL?
For example... You wouldn't need to be too high up in Ul'dah to know that the WoL was involved in that fiasco at the end of 2.55. Or that the WoL was involved in the very public Ishgardian fiasco at the end of 3.1.
There's a lot of MSQ events that even if your character isn't part of it... they really would've heard about them.
Yeah, you can refer to him as just 'the Warrior of Light', but if your partner isn't conscientious and has their character ask you what they look like...
Just weird. It's a pickle. At this point in time, with all the High profile things the WoL has done everyone should really know what they look like.... A Miqo'te... an Au Ra... whatever they are, our characters should really know, but to be respectful we have to have them feign ignorance.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Coda - 03-15-2016
I think the issue is that a meaningless interaction may as well not even be mentioned, while a significant interaction can be seen as selfish.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - FreelanceWizard - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 07:06 PM)Sin Wrote: This is interesting.
What do you all do when MSQ events necessitate knowledge of the WoL?
For example... You wouldn't need to be too high up in Ul'dah to know that the WoL was involved in that fiasco at the end of 2.55. Or that the WoL was involved in the very public Ishgardian fiasco at the end of 3.1.
There's a lot of MSQ events that even if your character isn't part of it... they really would've heard about them.
Yeah, you can refer to him as just 'the Warrior of Light', but if your partner isn't conscientious and has their character ask you what they look like...
Just weird. It's a pickle. At this point in time, with all the High profile things the WoL has done everyone should really know what they look like.... A Miqo'te... an Au Ra... whatever they are, our characters should really know, but to be respectful we have to have them feign ignorance.
Well, canonically, he's the highlander guy.
The way I handle this is either my character hears about them through the rumor grapevine and therefore the details, if any, get muddied ("Hey, there was this big scene up in Ishgard where some dragon showed up!") or hasn't heard about them at all. A lot of people put a lot of effort into manipulating the public perception of events in the end of 2.x.
Oh, and since fighting Primals was mentioned, I'll just say that not everyone agrees with Val's assessment, and those interested in the arguments on either side may find the search function instructive.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
I also treat the "canon" Warrior of Light as the midlander from all of the cutscenes and trailers, which makes it confusing when Warrior of Darkness looks how he does.
Knowing about him? Absolutely. Him knowing about you? That's an entirely different situation.
On top of this, we have people RPing on Balmung AS the canon Warrior of Light, which makes it even more complicated to figure out.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Melkire - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 07:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Well, canonically, he's the highlander guy.
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This has actually been called into question since 3.1 MSQ. There's a strong correlation between the Warrior of Darkness and the midlander gentleman we've been following since early 1.0 cutscenes. Even his allies correspond to said cutscenes - Lalafell White Mage, Roegadyn Paladin, etc. It's entirely possible that "Derplander" is, instead, a failed Warrior of Light through canonical alternate universe / time travel shenanigans... unless we are positing that the canonical Warrior of Light looks identical to the Warrior of Darkness, which is not the case (if it was, the Archons would have pointed it out).
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Ruen - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 07:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Well, canonically, he's the highlander guy.
I'm actually REALLY sad that he is not actually the main character (I mean, he is technically, but we don't see him), like, it'd be cool to have him actually in the game doing all the cool stuff and my 'WoL!character' just as like, a friend to him or something/be support character MSQ wise. TIRED OF BEING FORCED TO BE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE IN GAMES MAIN STORIES.Â
Quote:This has actually been called into question since 3.1 MSQ. There's a strong correlation between the Warrior of Darkness and the highlander gentleman we've been following since early 1.0 cutscenes. Even his allies correspond to said cutscenes - Lalafell White Mage, Roegadyn Paladin, etc. It's entirely possible that "Derplander" is, instead, a failed Warrior of Light through canonical alternate universe / time travel shenanigans... unless we are positing that the canonical Warrior of Light looks identical to the Warrior of Darkness, which is not the case (if it was, the Archons would have pointed it out).
O-oh... well...
/endofkindofunrelatedresponse
Uh, as far as the topic, I agree with the main points of most posts, aka: 1) Do what you have the most fun with/you're free to play how and who you want, 2) don't expect too many people to want to associate if you do go WoL, but don't let that stop you if you really want to [just don't force people to respond to you or godmod], 3) fap in private.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - McBeefâ„¢ - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 07:57 PM)Melkire Wrote:(03-15-2016, 07:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Well, canonically, he's the highlander guy.
This has actually been called into question since 3.1 MSQ. There's a strong correlation between the Warrior of Darkness and the highlander gentleman we've been following since early 1.0 cutscenes. Even his allies correspond to said cutscenes - Lalafell White Mage, Roegadyn Paladin, etc. It's entirely possible that "Derplander" is, instead, a failed Warrior of Light through canonical alternate universe / time travel shenanigans... unless we are positing that the canonical Warrior of Light looks identical to the Warrior of Darkness, which is not the case (if it was, the Archons would have pointed it out).
I also think this is the case. I think the version we have seen all this time in cutscenes is a similar character from a different 'world' who has come to a different conclusion.
They seem to think that it is Hydalyn who is the villain. If it's true, and we've been watching our nemesis this whole time, that is some masterful foreshadowing and trickery by SE.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - FreelanceWizard - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 07:57 PM)Melkire Wrote:(03-15-2016, 07:29 PM)FreelanceWizard Wrote: Well, canonically, he's the highlander guy.This has actually been called into question since 3.1 MSQ. There's a strong correlation between the Warrior of Darkness and the highlander gentleman we've been following since early 1.0 cutscenes. Even his allies correspond to said cutscenes - Lalafell White Mage, Roegadyn Paladin, etc. It's entirely possible that "Derplander" is, instead, a failed Warrior of Light through canonical alternate universe / time travel shenanigans... unless we are positing that the canonical Warrior of Light looks identical to the Warrior of Darkness, which is not the case (if it was, the Archons would have pointed it out).
I withdraw my statement of canon, then, to say only that the canonical WoL may, or may not, be someone who looks like that highlander.
In all seriousness, the alternate universe concept is an interesting idea, especially given the 3.2 revelations and how much we know the devs like FF III. In terms of the structure of the narrative, we know at least that from MCKF's perspective, we are all, and all not, the WoL; we're the WoL of our own stories, essentially. Given that, this is all the more reason to avoid referencing the WoL at all. It's not hard to dodge your way out of it, even if you're playing a well-connected adventurer.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
More headtwisting:
The trailers obviously can't reference -our- characters to the midlander is the stand-in. WoD is his antithesis, and is represented as the bad clone of him, since they can't just make him appear as a copy of us. (Well, they -can- but that would give away a lot more of the story than I think they want to right now.)
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Aaron - 03-15-2016
The Derplander is a Highlander?
. . . What.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 08:10 PM)Aaron Wrote: The Derplander is a Highlander?
. . . What.
He's not, he's a midlander.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - McBeefâ„¢ - 03-15-2016
(03-15-2016, 08:09 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: More headtwisting:
The trailers obviously can't reference -our- characters to the midlander is the stand-in. WoD is his antithesis, and is represented as the bad clone of him, since they can't just make him appear as a copy of us. (Well, they -can- but that would give away a lot more of the story than I think they want to right now.)
Yes but there are other similarities, like his companions. Instead of the Scions the WoL has their party of characters with Job stones.
My theory is that after Bahamut's fall, the cutscene WoL had a drastically different path that lead to their disillusionment with Hydalyn.Â
You as a player are never described as looking similar to the WoL, and you're never supposed to have traveled with anything like his adventuring party. I think we might find that you as a player, and the scions, have been misled this entire time by Hydalyn.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Melkire - 03-15-2016
Mistake on our parts. MIDLANDER, not highlander. I have since edited my post.
I think it's entirely plausible that the main character of 2.x/3.x is still the main character of 1.x (qualifying as both a Warrior of Light and as as a Twelvesblade) while still being a distinct individual from Derplander.
RE: IC interactions with the REAL WoL? - Warren Castille - 03-15-2016
That would be... fairly awesome, actually. We've used Midlander as the WoL-stand-in for so long that it's assumed, but what if he's not? He was jumped forward at Carteneau with the rest of us, and we just assumed he was the stand-in. The trailers for Coil all featured him, and he's on the box-art.
This is interesting to think about, and plays heavily on the meta.