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RE: Dragoon lore questions - Sounsyy - 06-26-2016

(06-25-2016, 12:42 PM)Kilieit Wrote: The Knights Dragoon also have a penchant for picking people whose parents were killed by dragons, because they're easy to condition. There's a temple leve that describes doing what we would describe as triggering their PTSD, on purpose, in order to sharpen their hatred of the enemy. No wonder Estinien is... you know... Estinien. I cannot find the leve for this for the life of me, but I know it exists.

Think you're looking for these two:
Exploiting the Adroit (L) Wrote:Children who lose their fathers to the jagged maws of Dravanians make fine candidates for the ranks of the dragoons, for theirs is a special contempt which cannot be found in the hearts of ordinary men. The commanders can oft tell who they are, and thus seek to nurture that hatred through painful sessions which force them to relive their nightmares. The ranks will be thinned out sure enough, hence we must make use of breeches tough enough to withstand the grazing of sharp teeth, but expendable enough for those who crack from the pressure.

Rage Against the Scream Wrote:As their training forces the Knights Dragoon to respond violently to the screams of dragons, the candidates to join the ranks prefer to use sallets of titanium. Rumor has it that not only is the headpiece as light as a feather, but as the wind blows through the crevices, it mimics such a wail and allows the wearer's hatred to course through their veins tenfold at the mere sound.


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(06-25-2016, 01:24 PM)Valence Wrote: Well, obviously everyone has to obey the Holy See and the Archbishop, but what I question is that they answer to the Temple Knights and their lord commander as well. Maybe they do, I honestly don't know. I'm just surprised actually. Where was that stated or shown?

The Order of the Knights Dragoon follow their Azure Dragoon, who in turn follows the Lord Commander of the Temple Knights, Lord Aymeric.

Now, while the Temple Knights seem to be an organization of knights all on their own, the term "Temple Knights" also seems to be an umbrella term for the various Orders of Knights found throughout Ishgard, including the Order of the Knights Dragoon, the Order of the Friars Templar, and the other High House Temple Knights who each have their own House commanders. Aymeric appears to be the central command of the entire military, even if each of these Orders are actually separate entities, at the same time they all appear to fall under an umbrella term of Temple Knights. I think. It is very confusing.

So the Order of the Friars Templar acts as its own entity with its own structure, but answers to the Church and to Aymeric.

The Order of the Knights Dragoon is its own entity with its own structure, captained by the Azure Dragoon, who in turn answers to Aymeric.

The House Knights act as their own entity individual to each High House and are commanded by the commanders of that House, but ultimately answer to their Counts and Aymeric.

Then there are the Temple Knights who do as the Lord Commander bids, supposedly. Their main function seems to be to support the endeavors of the above Orders, if the temple levequests are any indication?

Anyways, here's a link that the Lore Train put together on the Temple Knights organization. They don't seem to be entirely sure about it either?
-Heavensward and Temple Knights Lore Train




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I did a few updates to the Dragoon Lore masterpost I linked earlier in the thread, including adding a dragon lore compilation to the post. But I figure I'll just spoiler/quote the post below since I'm not sure the link was actually seen earlier on as there were a couple of later queries that are answered in the compilation.

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Hope this helps! ^^


RE: Dragoon lore questions - Valence - 06-26-2016

Fair enough.

Wouldn't it be more along the model of the Congregation of Our Knights Most Heavenly being the encompassing entity around all the other militaries (Templars, Friars, etc)?


RE: Dragoon lore questions - Sounsyy - 06-26-2016

(06-26-2016, 06:20 AM)Valence Wrote: Fair enough.

Wouldn't it be more along the model of the Congregation of Our Knights Most Heavenly being the encompassing entity around all the other militaries (Templars, Friars, etc)?

The Congregation is just the building in which the knights congregate. Unfortunately, we can't use it as an umbrella term.

Firmalbert Wrote:You stand before the Congregation of Our Knights Most Heavenly - the headquarters of we knights who have sworn to serve the Holy See.



RE: Dragoon lore questions - kyioku - 06-26-2016

(06-26-2016, 12:19 PM)Sounsyy Wrote:
(06-26-2016, 06:20 AM)Valence Wrote: Fair enough.

Wouldn't it be more along the model of the Congregation of Our Knights Most Heavenly being the encompassing entity around all the other militaries (Templars, Friars, etc)?

The Congregation is just the building in which the knights congregate. Unfortunately, we can't use it as an umbrella term.

Firmalbert Wrote:You stand before the Congregation of Our Knights Most Heavenly - the headquarters of we knights who have sworn to serve the Holy See.

Sir, are you a part of the FFXIV lore team?

Ok, so after digging through all of that I have one more question regarding dragoon soulstones - if they are handed to a specific person by the Holy See are they also bound to that person (like they would be of any use only to the original owner)? I know it's not the case with WoL, but it's WoL so I'd rather ask.


RE: Dragoon lore questions - Sounsyy - 06-26-2016

(06-26-2016, 12:48 PM)kyioku Wrote: Ok, so after digging through all of that I have one more question regarding dragoon soulstones - if they are handed to a specific person by the Holy See are they also bound to that person (like they would be of any use only to the original owner)? I know it's not the case with WoL, but it's WoL so I'd rather ask.

Soulstones can reach an affinity with certain people, but they do not bind in the strictest sense. Soulstones, in and of themselves, are simply crystals which, over the course of many years are imbued with the soul of their wielder, recording memories and emotions and aether. It's similar to spiritbonding from a lore standpoint. When the original owner of the soulstone dies, a portion of the spirit lives on within the stone and may later resonate with another user who the stone feels kinship to.

But this applies beyond just the WoL. The 50+ PLD questline is actually goes into a little more detail on soulstone lore and how they can be passed on. For instance, your companion finds the soulstone of Jhal Tristram, the very first Paladin. It resonates with him and he is able to wield it. But you later find out that Jhal Tristram's soulstone was originally embedded in the hilt of Oathkeeper, a sword passed down from Sultansworn captain to captain for 600 years. That particular soulstone carries the deeds of all of those captains.