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RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Virella - 07-04-2016

Just pitching on the MNK AF gear.

The French version of the game mentioned it is heresy and highly insulting to wear Cyclas as a non-Fist of Rhalgr, and punishable by death (implied). So. Yeah. You don't want to do that either.

"Because they are imbued the Destroyer of power, only the monks of the Fist Rhalgr are allowed to wear them, after having overcome many hardships... got stolen, an insult to our order... We will take care to punish the heretics and trample them." - vague quick bad translation of the 45 Monk Quest in French on temple garbs.

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Gegenji - 07-04-2016

(07-04-2016, 04:59 PM)Warren Castille Wrote: WoL isn't technically a Mary Sue, he's a canon character in the fiction. I mean, you could make the argument that any fictitious and destiny-bound character falls into the Mary Sue definition, but that's just nitpicking.

WoL is supposed to be the most important character in not only the world, but in the history of the world.

I meant it more from the angle of RPing as this grand individual (adjusted just so to fit one's personal sensibilities and the character they want to play if they're not going full Derplander), but your points are valid.

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Kilieit - 07-04-2016

(07-04-2016, 04:41 PM)Morningstar1337 Wrote: TBH, when you think about it, the Warrior of Light is already bordering Mary Sue territory anyway.

I'm going off-topic here, so spoiler tags so I don't take up a huge chunk of scrollspace, but here's what I've got to say.

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RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Morningstar1337 - 07-04-2016

(07-04-2016, 05:07 PM)Kilieit Wrote:
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  • What do you want to do? Do you want to write solo stories? Do you want to do forum RP? Do you just want to have a private backstory in mind for your character while you play the game, that you don't share with anyone? Something else?
  • Who do you want to do it for? Yourself? The RPC community? Another community? Someone else?
  • What do you want in return? Reader participation? Praise? Ao3 kudos? Something else?

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Okay You;re right, I haven't bee clear on this ever since the intro thread, a thread no one is gonna read months from now.

The reason I came to this thread, is to get a backstory and bio made for my character, For now its private as it is unlikely to come up in the in-game conversation.

This is something I am doing for myself, I don't (or rather shouldn't be) want(ing) attention at all.

maybe its time to finally post what I have already done in a new thread as well as mention that this is just a backstory for a character I am doing for myself. and Just keep it confined in that thread and a GDocs instead of a page on the RPC database before I overthink it to outright abandonment. And then work more on an alternate universe version of her more suitable for collaborative efforts.

And don;t worry about derailment, that ship's sailed to the point where I'm consternating changing the title

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Zhu - 07-04-2016

My RP weapon of choice uses the "balmung" model but that's all they have in common: The design.

I don't think it is snowflakey to use a weapon with a fancy look. What makes weapons special is their story. I am sure there are RPers with weapons that got a waay fancier story that makes them much more powerful or ancient despite the plain design they may have chose, in contrast with a sword with a rather complex design which only story and purpose being: A piece of metal designed to swing around and hurt people.

There are limits however. I wouldn't personally dare to draw a weapon with spell effects unless I have a good IC reason for it (such as having obtained it after a long, perilous plot) because people will inevitably question where and why you got such a powerful artifact.

As for the story, claiming something only the warrior of light can posses (such as the original anima weapons) is a big nono.

To RP the warrior of light him/herself is also something I advice against. There may only be one and it's none of us. Not outside our own PvE activities where we are supposed to indulge in the power fantasy that the WoL represent.

It could work if you get a group for an RP bubble but you wouldn't be able to blend with the rest of the community very well, in my opinion.

I personally advice to make a step back and resort to RP with just the echo. Which would still requires an advanced mastery of the lore and a good grasp of the basics of RP.

This is just my opinion, mind. If you want to do it, go for it and have fun!

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Kilieit - 07-04-2016

Absolutely, this is my advice to you:

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If it's for your own enjoyment, and it's not something you're expecting other people to join in with: do it. Enjoy it. Don't regret it.

At the end of the day, if you're the only person this story is for, then whether your character is a Mary Sue or not is totally inconsequential. Because the problem with "Mary Sue" is that they are too big for their boots, and step on other people's toes... but if there's no one else's toes around to get stepped on, then you're free to enjoy being big!

I know from experience that it's difficult, learning to love the things you enjoy without feeling guilty or ashamed about it! But I sincerely recommend working towards it. Learning what you love, learning how to participate in it without worrying about what other people think, and learning to share that joy without overstepping bounds is a wonderful thing to work towards.

100% genuinely. :)

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Morningstar1337 - 07-04-2016

(07-04-2016, 05:27 PM)Kilieit Wrote: Absolutely, this is my advice to you:

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If it's for your own enjoyment, and it's not something you're expecting other people to join in with: do it. Enjoy it. Don't regret it.

At the end of the day, if you're the only person this story is for, then whether your character is a Mary Sue or not is totally inconsequential. Because the problem with "Mary Sue" is that they are too big for their boots, and step on other people's toes... but if there's no one else's toes around to get stepped on, then you're free to enjoy being big!

I know from experience that it's difficult, learning to love the things you enjoy without feeling guilty or ashamed about it! But I sincerely recommend working towards it. Learning what you love, learning how to participate in it without worrying about what other people think, and learning to share that joy without overstepping bounds is a wonderful thing to work towards.

100% genuinely. Smile

Thanks. I'll think i'll still post a thread about all of what I conceptualized about my character, but not on this thread.

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Ritsu - 07-04-2016

For me clothes are just that. My character doesn't go around claiming she is wearing some rare artifact or what not. My alt classes are quick wardrobe changes for me. She will not have her bow with her if she is on an alt class. Pretty much anything I can make a dress into on Ritsu - is gonna happen. I have leveled classes just for her outfits XD

...seriously. I got Goldsmith to 60 because I wanted the chest for it to wear for a wedding >.>;;

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Raeje - 07-04-2016

My character likes bold clothes. That's literally all there is to it. If the clothes are flamboyant (EG, my bard clothes), then Raeje will wear them. She's not likely to wear plate armor because she has no reason to...UNLESS, she's wearing it for a performance. However, if I'm out running dungeons, and I feel like wearing my most reliable gear, rather than my most fancy, that's what I'm going to do, because I'm OOC for that, more that likely. 

So basically, can I justify wearing fancy gear IC? For Raeje, yes, because she's just into really bold and weird fashion. She's actually, to define and label her style, a steam punk. Do I care if you wear clothes that aren't entirely IC for your character? No, because we're not rewriting history here, we're playing a game.

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Caspar - 07-04-2016

I glamour the gear that reflects the look that best suits my character. It just so happens that the gear is cheap or plain-looking. Were my character to have a more exotic sense of style, that would not be the case, and that is the only excuse I need. 
Even the most expensive (gil-wise) piece of gear is the decidedly cheap-looking Arachne Shirt. The Baldr Knuckles are very plain and they represent a special weapon she doesn't use often, so usually I have her wearing hora that look like generic store-bought ones to reflect the fact that Virara repeatedly breaks her weapons.
It's just convenient that my sense of aesthetics isn't that outlandish, and I rarely need really exotic looking gear to convey the feeling I'm trying to get across. Things like the Relic gear, I'd hesitate to use unless it properly reflected the character's background, but that's just my personal preference. It'd probably be fine if it was just being used as a stand-in for gear that doesn't exist in the game yet if you really badly wanted a certain aesthetic and nothing could scratch that itch for you. It can be confusing to other players however.

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Mia Moui - 07-05-2016

Mia has been wearing basically the same thing, day after day, for weeks between bathing or cleaning (while traveling).  In my head canon, it takes weeks to move between one part of the world to the next and most of that is done in between towns on the back of a chocobo.  She has "in-town" clothes for when she needs to meet people and such as.  But she's usually in her armor because the world outside of town is stupid levels of dangerous.

Now that I've RP'd her into a routine job situation, she'll be sticking around Gridania (having lost a little hope of ever finding her sisters).  And because of this, she'll be wearing a wider variety of things.  She will also start to feel some pressure to be "more attractive" which will bug her immensely and also feed into some of the self doubt she has at the mo.

But as for specific jobs, when she's fishing, she wears a hat.  That's about it.  I dunno why the hat because she's a Keeper and doesn't need to shield herself from the sun. Surely it's a fishing hat?

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Zanther - 07-05-2016

Ya, I take no issues with clothing most people wear as in reality it isn't special. I got one outfit for my Sch rp wise that have three head pieces depending on the situation. Body is the old Pvper white healing body and WoD legs. Nin for being a Ninja non-combat uses the summer event body (non-swimsuit) and plain long dress dyed black. Use the new player chain body with the long dress for combat. Use the winter clothing for cold areas. And recently made an everyday set, using mostly the GS Ul'dah set with some mixing and the robe we get from end of 3.3 as an evening attire.

The only thing to argue would be the relic daggers I'm using, but since they are the replica ones, if anyone asks they are just that, replicas. I haven't come up with an answer for the face book my Sch uses but it hasn't come up yet rp wise so don't need to arm.


So, as others have said, go with what you like, most will not question most of it.

RE: Glamours, Multiple Jobs and Consistency - Lamiaris - 07-10-2016

(07-04-2016, 03:10 PM)Morningstar1337 Wrote: For RPers that have more than one class, I want to know if you use the same outfits for your jobs and if not, how do you justify them IC.

A related question is if you wear armor an clothes that IC should be beyond your classes' skill level (Like wearing the Coil or CT gear, or any PvP gear despite your character's skill in the respective job being more around "Level 30" at best, more for dabblerers), and if so, how would you justify it IC, and if not, is it becuase it would be too "Special Snowflake" and mary suish to stick out from the subligars, cowls and non-metallic looking dyed armor that the NPCs of the area wear given the relevant skill level?

I assume that in those cases having more than 1 of the Zodiac Weapons, Anima Weapons and a complete set of AF gears are out of the question since they are supposed to be tied to "Job Mastery" (Or in the Anima's case being something of a prototype) and having more than one or two classes with a combination of any of those is pushing suspension of disbelief

I know it's rather out there and odd, but I actually RP Lami as a Sage (FFIII flavor); In fact to match that, ICly she has a Sage job crystal (which I dunno what it looks like yet). As such, she knows a lot of magic, and her mage/ caster/ healer outfits are consistent. (only a colour change to denote offensive versus succor). She's in the Halonic Exorcist and Halonic Healer robes/ hats.

Which pretty much means ICly and OOCly, she knows literally NOTHING of physical combat and is physically a defenseless flower. And that has OOCly affected her progression. I have NO physical attacker classes leveled (aside from the ones needed for Black Mage, and Ninja, but I tend to ignore the Archer secondary) Aside from Ninja, which admittedly, is completely noncanon. I just grabbed it because it looked neat.

Can she cast some of the powerful Black Magics or White Magics? Yes, but like, ICly, it's not NEARLY as effective (i.e. safe to use) as someone who is ICly specialized in either specific fields. 

Say... Flare or Freeze for example. A Black Mage can ICly cast and cause practically burning hellfire or subzero deathzones or whatever. Lami is able to ICly cast those, but it's far more inefficient. The ancient magicks (Flare, Freeze, etcetera) literally damage her body a bit due to such inefficient use and often after a few days, she feels an 'afterblast' that makes her violently ill and bedridden for a while, maybe a week or two..

And because of all of this, ICly, she can NEVER own an Anima or Ultima weapon 

Summoning is something I've still yet to explain.