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(08-04-2013, 02:55 AM)Selsix Wrote:

(08-04-2013, 02:47 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: Also I know dual wielding is extremely popular from FFXI, but it won't happen in FFXIV because of materia.

Not necessarily my friend.

An MMO I played a few years back by the name of R.O.S.E. Online had a very simple answer to this very same problem.

They made dual swords a SINGLE item.

Instead of equipping two different swords, you would equip one item that is a PAIR of swords. Thus solving the itemization issue altogether, as well as the armoury confliction problem

LOL I literally said that in order for dual wielding to work they would have to do this in the exact same paragraph that you quoted from.

(08-04-2013, 02:47 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: Also I know dual wielding is extremely popular from FFXI, but it won't happen in FFXIV because of materia. If you have two equippable weapons that doubles the amount of materia you can stack into one stat. Which would make it incredibly OP. If they implement "dual wielding" for say like THF or NIN, it will be in the same fashion as PGL/MNK has dual wield. A single main hand weapon that places a weapon in each hand on the character.

(08-04-2013, 03:20 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:

(08-04-2013, 03:08 AM)Azthran Wrote: I think BLU could still use 1 handed swords kind of like how both Conj and Thaum can both use 2 handed staffs. If I'm not mistaken the relic weapons for both WHM and BLM are staffs so I don't see why they couldn't add another set of swords with the BLU tag on it.

The difference is that Conjurer and Thaumaturge are given specific qualifications and boundaries for the weapons that they use. And Gladiators are not. Gladiators are given a blanket green light on all single handed blades. Unless they change that lore to say something more specific, it will remain true and prevent new classes from using single-handed swords.

-Conjurers must use wands and staves made from unworked wood. 

-Thaumaturges must use scepters and staves made from metals, ores, or bone, and require a gemstone through which to channel their aether.

-"Gladiators specialize in the handling of all manner of one-handed blades, from daggers to longswords, be they single- or double-edge, straight or curved."

Quoted straight from the Main Site Gladiator page. You're basically asking FFXIV to retcon the basic concept of Gladiator just so that Blue Mage can have a scimitar. Why not a whip? It's a much more appropriate weapon and it doesn't currently exist in Eorzea.

(08-04-2013, 03:33 AM)LeCard Wrote: This does mean that any future sword wielding class would either need to be two handed or share their weapon with GLD. Now, one way that they could work this would be to have the special weapon (be it scimitar, rapier etc.) grant a special bonus/ penalty to the new class/GLD respectively. This would make it disadvantageous for a GLD to wield a scimitar, but would not prevent them from equipping it.

However, you run into the further problem that the main hand weapon function as the " I am switching classes" button. To fix this you could give the new class a different main hand item that functions more like a shield and have them equip the scimitar in the off hand(effectively making them all leftys). But deciding on a main item that works for all the classes future jobs could be quite troublesome.

For those reasons I think that it is highly unlikely that they would give them an already existing weapon, unless it is made into a job instead of a class. all future classes will come with a new weapon, yoshi p. has basically if not explicitly said this already.

So I would have to agree with Sou on this one, either they will have to recon GLD being able to use all one handed blades, or no other class will ever be released with a one handed blade.

(08-04-2013, 03:33 AM)LeCard Wrote:

(08-04-2013, 03:20 AM)Sounsyy Wrote:

(08-04-2013, 03:08 AM)Azthran Wrote: I think BLU could still use 1 handed swords kind of like how both Conj and Thaum can both use 2 handed staffs. If I'm not mistaken the relic weapons for both WHM and BLM are staffs so I don't see why they couldn't add another set of swords with the BLU tag on it.

The difference is that Conjurer and Thaumaturge are given specific qualifications and boundaries for the weapons that they use. And Gladiators are not. Gladiators are given a blanket green light on all single handed blades. Unless they change that lore to say something more specific, it will remain true and prevent new classes from using single-handed swords.

-Conjurers must use wands and staves made from unworked wood. 

-Thaumaturges must use scepters and staves made from metals, ores, or bone, and require a gemstone through which to channel their aether.

-"Gladiators specialize in the handling of all manner of one-handed blades, from daggers to longswords, be they single- or double-edge, straight or curved."

Quoted straight from the Main Site Gladiator page. You're basically asking FFXIV to retcon the basic concept of Gladiator just so that Blue Mage can have a scimitar. Why not a whip? It's a much more appropriate weapon and it doesn't currently exist in Eorzea.

This does mean that any future sword wielding class would either need to be two handed or share their weapon with GLD. Now, one way that they could work this would be to have the special weapon (be it scimitar, rapier etc.) grant a special bonus/ penalty to the new class/GLD respectively. This would make it disadvantageous for a GLD to wield a scimitar, but would not prevent them from equipping it.

However, you run into the further problem that the main hand weapon function as the " I am switching classes" button. To fix this you could give the new class a different main hand item that functions more like a shield and have them equip the scimitar in the off hand(effectively making them all leftys). But deciding on a main item that works for all the classes future jobs could be quite troublesome.

For those reasons I think that it is highly unlikely that they would give them an already existing weapon, unless it is made into a job instead of a class. all future classes will come with a new weapon, yoshi p. has basically if not explicitly said this already.

So I would have to agree with Sou on this one, either they will have to recon GLD being able to use all one handed blades, or no other class will ever be released with a one handed blade.

(08-04-2013, 04:01 AM)Azthran Wrote: Anyways my point is just that specializing in something isn't the same as something being exclusive.

(08-04-2013, 04:31 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: As for Thief daggers, my theory is that they will be dual daggers that are backwards oriented like in FFIX. Unlike the forward facing daggers of FFXI. This would also better feed into the Thief class becoming Ninja. Or a Scout class branching into both Thief and Ninja. Thief and Ninja both use backwards oriented daggers.

(08-04-2013, 04:58 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: The fact that gladiators use daggers at all is inane. I felt like a moron tanking with a letter opener in Phase 3.

(08-04-2013, 04:52 AM)Azthran Wrote: Isn't that a contradiction though? They are still 1 handed bladed weapons, you just have two of them and hold them differently. I'm curious to what makes it okay for another class to use daggers, by your definition one of the weapons that is exclusive to gladiators, and not for another class to be able to use a sword? I'm speaking strictly from a lore perspective here.

(08-04-2013, 05:02 AM)LeCard Wrote:

(08-04-2013, 04:58 AM)synaesthetic Wrote: The fact that gladiators use daggers at all is inane. I felt like a moron tanking with a letter opener in Phase 3. 

I second this! 
"Fear me I am a Gladiator/Paladin and I will smite you with this letter opener sized dagger!" 

Somehow I just want to break down laughing and lose all respect for the class.

(08-04-2013, 10:18 AM)faceman7381 Wrote: For the record Yoshi has said daggers will be moved to a scout type class later which will spawn thief and or ninja job.  Great swords will be added as said by Yoshi with Dark Knight and/or Samurai as its jobs.

Red Mage has been talked about to death and Yoshi has said it will be added.  One can speculate but they have used swords and shields in all other FF games despite often being drawn in artwork as a fencer type job.

As for the original Blue Mage post Yoshi said in a live letter there were no plans to add blue magic at that time.  This means it wasn't even in development.