(08-08-2013, 03:42 PM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: My point was that if a 9 point disparity from race is not significant, a 15 point disparity from flex stats is going to be insignificant as well.

(08-08-2013, 03:42 PM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote:

(08-08-2013, 03:23 PM)Ashren Snow Wrote: as far as doing a 15/15 split between Mind and Intelligence, that's what I meant when I said you could do this to be average (at best), while if you wanted to be optimized in a role you'd have to pick being good at one or the other, there's no way to play an Arcanist and be optimized in both because even if you try to do things to cover the disparity, you'll still be worse than someone who didn't bother and just spec'd for a single Job.

As far as using Cleric Stance, it's possible for Scholar, but for Summoner they use THM as their sub.

My point was that if a 9 point disparity from race is not significant, a 15 point disparity from flex stats is going to be insignificant as well.  At level 20 on the beta on my THM with normal crafted gear and empty materia sockets, 15 points of int would have boosted my magical attack stat which determines spell damage by only around 15%.  By level 50 with decent gear and rank 4 materia, 15 points of int will be such a small difference you probably won't even notice it without a DPS meter to analyze the data (which I don't think will be available, anyhow).  In my MMO experience, player skill makes up 90% of a player's capability anyhow.

As far as cross class skills go, we'll have to see what those are, but every job gets cross class skills from one additional class outside their sub.  For example, warrior sub is gladiator, but they get cross class skills from gladiator and pugilist.  I wouldn't be surprised if scholar got conjurer and thaumaturge cross class skills, since white mage gets thaumaturge and arcanist cross class skills.

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Whoops, I missed summoner!  Not sure what their cross class skill pool will be.  Black mage gets arcanist and archer, so maybe they'll get the same?

(08-09-2013, 01:21 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: A lot of good points have been made already, but I wanted to add this one, since it was something I didn't see.

When you switch from class to job, you actually alter your base attribute points. Not including your stat allocations. So using Arcanist as an example, when you are Arcanist I am theorizing you will probably have about even MND and INT because Arcanist can both heal and damage. Then when you switch to Scholar, your stats will change to give you a natural boost to Mind. When you switch to Summoner, your stats will change to give you a natural boost to Intelligence. 

Based off Yoshi saying that stat reallocation will not be easy to do, I think the best stat would be 15/15 MND/INT. This way you max out your best stat for both classes instead of just one. Now, for those saying that you're losing out on 15 points. You can make up for this with gear, materia, the native stat boost, and also the +INT or +MND that you get from being in a party. 

So honestly you've lost nothing. If you're that much of a min/max-er that 15 points behind the curve between two characters with the absolutely BEST gear in game for SMN/SCH, then pump 30 points into whichever job will be your main and gimp the other.

Hvinire Wrote:Hey all,

In version 1.0, stats could be allocated for both the class and for the job. However, in A Realm Reborn, you will now only be able to allocate points for the class itself. As you know, the arcanist branches into two jobs (Summoner and Scholar) and as Yoshida explained in the Letter from the Producer LIVE, it will be up to players to decide how they want to allocate their stats on arcanist. Players can focus on one job or the other; or choose the respective stat to enhance - like if you want to focus on scholar's healing, you can choose MND or if you want to focus on scholar's DPS capabilities, you can choose INT. You can also take a "middle of the road" approach and maintain a good balance.

Beyond that, as Yoshida mentioned, we'll also be preparing gear with varying stats (beyond the type that players have seen thus far) that players can utilize to focus on specific stats.

(08-08-2013, 03:11 PM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: Assuming the primary stats are intelligence for summoner and mind for scholar, you could do a 15/15 split and not be noticeably disadvantaged.

(08-09-2013, 01:21 AM)Sounsyy Wrote: So honestly you've lost nothing. If you're that much of a min/max-er that 15 points behind the curve between two characters with the absolutely BEST gear in game for SMN/SCH, then pump 30 points into whichever job will be your main and gimp the other.

(08-13-2013, 04:36 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: I'm going to operate on the assumption that Squeenix did not eat a bowl of brain cancer for breakfast this morning and that Piety is the prime attribute for arcanist (and by extension, scholar and summoner).

(08-13-2013, 04:36 PM)synaesthetic Wrote: I'm going to operate on the assumption that Squeenix did not eat a bowl of brain cancer for breakfast this morning and that Piety is the prime attribute for arcanist (and by extension, scholar and summoner).

(08-13-2013, 04:53 PM)Eve Malusion Wrote: Also, from the datamined info that we aren't really supposed to discuss, it looked like arcanist was purely dps, the only heal they had was for their pet.

(08-13-2013, 05:29 PM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: Part of their goal here may be to encourage cross class play.  Thaumaturge and conjurer have to choose what role they wish to fill, but they make that choice at level 1.  Arcanist makes that choice but does so at level 30.  If arcanist is equally capable at ranged DPS and healing through job choice, it reduces incentives to play conjurer or thaumaturge.  Why not just play arcanist where you can do both without penalty?

(08-13-2013, 05:40 PM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: If the arcanist can fill both roles with equal effectiveness, there's less incentive to play the other two magic classes.

(08-13-2013, 05:40 PM)Myxie Tryxle Wrote: One class = one job the same as it does for any other class without two job choices.