(09-17-2013, 01:33 AM)Lament Wrote: You probably can't be a Dragoon-the-title without actually being part of the Dragoon force from Ishgard, but you could have the skills of one, absolutely.

(09-17-2013, 06:07 AM)Clover Wrote: I thought that there was a legendary Dragoon that was more special than the rest, but there's still an army of, uh, "generic" Dragoons, at the lack of a better word. Can't any player imagine that they're just one of the many Dragoons that form their army? Or is it that Ishgard doesn't accept foreigners in their files? Perhaps I misunderstood, but I read somewhere that Ishgard was opening itself a bit more since it needed more people (?).

(And just for the record, this is not about me but about a friend who wants to play a Miqo'te who joins the Dragoon army. I'd like to know if it's completely impossible for him).

Quote:If the lore itself states how they're training people up, even if some of them are foreigners, then perhaps it'd work? If not, then I guess he can at least try and have his dream denied. I just want to be certain that it's absolutely impossible, otherwise, spitting on the lore would be for him to be unable to join the Dragoon ranks, while other strangers are.

(09-17-2013, 10:15 AM)Clover Wrote: Thank you for your reply! Though, I admit I'm still slightly confused.

My friend's Miqo'te is not a Dragoon. He simply wants to become one in the story; you could say it's his main goal. Just for the record, neither he nor I want to spit on the lore. Quite the contrary, we love playing within the correct context. I just wondered if a character eventually joining the dragoon ranks was a possibility, even if they weren't born wherever it is that most Dragoons have been born in (?).

If the lore itself states how they're training people up, even if some of them are foreigners, then perhaps it'd work? If not, then I guess he can at least try and have his dream denied. I just want to be certain that it's absolutely impossible, otherwise, spitting on the lore would be for him to be unable to join the Dragoon ranks, while other strangers are.

(09-17-2013, 10:22 AM)Dogberry Wrote: That would actually make for some awesome RP.

(09-17-2013, 11:17 AM)Uther Wrote: Well, the idea of Ishgard opening its gates is pretty much an inevitability, as Dogberry pointed out. By both lore and gameplay standards. They're freezing, they're dying, and their war is only getting worse. Plus, people want to see more content for it. 

It's definitely possible for someone to have a dream of becoming a dragoon, though I wouldn't start calling myself one personally until the gates officially open. There's no problem with saying like "I spent a lot of time in Coerthas, trying to make connections, in hopes that they'll let me into Ishgard. I picked up a lot of useful skills along the way." etc etc. But yes, it's definitely possible to one day be a real dragoon. The game's lore just hasn't allowed it yet for those not of Ishgardian blood.

The real question you have to ask yourself (or he has to ask himself) is why the character wants to be a dragoon. Sure, it's sweet to jump around on dragons and whatever, but the actual dragoons aren't going to freely give their skills out to someone who isn't a follower of Halone or has no real stake in their war. It's just something to think about.

I hope your friend finds some stable ground to stand on as far as lore is concerned. It sounds like this character would be interesting for mine to RP with once he's got his background set up.

(09-17-2013, 11:56 AM)Clover Wrote: As for his reasons to be so passionate about Dragoons, from what I've understood, the first seed was sown when the powerful Bahamut almost destroyed Eorzea. Most of his tribe was wiped out that night, so my friend's Miqo'te sees dragons as the biggest threat. We're also considering the possibility of him eventually meeting a real Dragoon, who might become the figure which ultimately inspires him. There was nothing he could do during the Calamity; he was just a small, insignificant being. He regards the Dragoon army as the strength he lacks, and as the ultimate way to defeat his personal enemies. In the end, my friend's character is still an idealist who has a lot to learn.

(09-17-2013, 12:22 PM)Uther Wrote: Sure, that makes sense. Bahamut is technically a Dragon King, and if you're going to take out a Dragon King, you might as well learn from the professional dragon killers. As for meeting a real dragoon. They're rare to find outside of Coerthas. I don't know if you're thinking of making up a fake dragoon or tying the story in with another player, but there are at least three Ishgardian Dragoons that I know of out there in the Balmung RPC, myself included, if you're considering going that route. I can't speak for the others, but I don't mind having Uther mentioned in someone's back story at all. So if that's up your alley, feel free to throw me a PM. Of course I won't be offended if that's not something you're interested in doing. Happy to help in any way I can.

(09-17-2013, 12:35 PM)Clover Wrote: That'd be so cool! Meeting a Dragoon is something that would help his story a lot, so I think it's great if the Dragoon is a real character like yours instead of a random faceless NPC he could make up for the sake of plot >_<
The problem with my friend is that he's too embarrassed to RP in English (we're both Spanish), but since this would be a backstory and not a scene he'd have to RP in real time, I think we could make it work perfectly well. I'll PM you about it to work on the possible details if it's alright.

Just for the record, in case you ever see him in-game, his name is F'yue Tia. I wish he was more willing to learn English and even post in this forum, as I feel he's going to miss out on a lot...