(02-08-2014, 01:45 PM)Naunet Wrote: That's kind of an unreasonably strong negative judgment towards people who may not see the need for an FC house. >_>

Personally, I find Squee's "housing" effort to be so pathetically limited anyway that I don't blame anyone who doesn't wanna partake. I've largely written it off myself as something not worth the gil.

(02-08-2014, 02:04 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: My apologies if I came in a very strong statement on that, but it was really attempted to attack anyone.

They don't have to choose on helping out on anything. But I also do not appreciate attitudes with people giving unwanted statements such as "who needs houses anyways? we are just wasting our time. Let's just find a random place to roleplay instead". 

It's either you can just say "I am sorry, I can't afford to help." or even "It does not interest me". Nothing more.

(02-08-2014, 05:21 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: If we had personal house as big as a FC house, then it'd fail the purpose of having FC house from the start in my honest opinion. Perhaps they'll have to make it smaller. 

Even though I find it upsetting that people won't care to work on their own housing or FC housing, I would not quit a game for the purpose of price being higher than FC house. Prices are meant to drop.

(02-08-2014, 12:55 AM)Seriphyn Wrote: I bet it will be called Grand Company housing, and will be instanced apartments accessible from the left set of doors in every Grand Company headquarters. It doesn't have have a No Entry sign on it...just a guess, mind.

(02-08-2014, 05:57 PM)Ildur Wrote: Incidentally: making individual houses more expensive than FC ones makes character housing absolutely irrelevant. Why would you use more money on your own house when you can get the same place for much cheaper and faster with an FC? Why even implement personal housing if the only purpose is for it to make FC houses comparatively better? It's like saying you are going to place a pile of crap next to a trash can so people appreciate the can better. Instead of doing that, why don't you just put the pile of crap inside the trash can? Why the impracticality?

(02-08-2014, 01:38 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: It really annoys me the fact that when FC members or people have the set of mind saying:
"It's ok. We don't need a house. We'll just occupy some area and Roleplay over there." 

That's just lazy and you have no absolute contribution to the FC. I've had to deal with them and that is not an optimistic view to the community and FC itself. 

Also, having personal house MAY be good. But if people start buying personal house when FC houses aren't filled up - then it'll just ruin the community because people will just prefer to party inside personal mansion over FC mansion since it will -possibly- be cheap.

If 2.1's first pricing for FC house was ($320 million for largest) , then player's largest housing should be ($640 million for first pricing) so that players can't buy it and rely on Free Company to join, enjoy, and appreciate their FC house.

(02-08-2014, 06:19 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:

(02-08-2014, 05:57 PM)Ildur Wrote: Incidentally: making individual houses more expensive than FC ones makes character housing absolutely irrelevant. Why would you use more money on your own house when you can get the same place for much cheaper and faster with an FC? Why even implement personal housing if the only purpose is for it to make FC houses comparatively better? It's like saying you are going to place a pile of crap next to a trash can so people appreciate the can better. Instead of doing that, why don't you just put the pile of crap inside the trash can? Why the impracticality?

That seems to be what he wants, though.  He appears to be upset that no one wants to work for an FC house, so they should make player housing more expensive so that people will then want to work on an FC house.

(02-08-2014, 05:52 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: This doesn't make people want to help you buy an FC house.  TBH, if I was in your FC and read this, I'd refuse to donate anything at all.

(02-08-2014, 08:39 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: I appreciate your personal attacks, but I don't think that still will change how I see in personal housing comparing to FC housing. I find the mind of people's attitude to be extremely negative and shallow because they don't want to share their houses with people and wants things for their own. 

Large/Medium plot size for FC house should remain as the largest plot for player housing should be what small plot size FC house is currently if that's the case.

(02-08-2014, 09:13 PM)Ildur Wrote: You seem to think there are many different and plausible ways of making lots of money. But this is not the case. The only FC's I know that managed to buy houses were those selling Primal runs.
Using the market board, which would be go-to option, is an absolute joke thanks to rampant undercutting (which is caused by there not being a tax for listing items) and there not being anything worth crafting (and those items that sell for 200k or more usually eat 90% of that in the process of making them in the first place). A member of my FC, before housing, was crafting and trying to make a profit with it. Then the prices were announced and she just went "welp! That's it for me!" because she wasn't making enough of a difference. And if we gathered a bunch of people and made them craft? That wouldn't be enough either. Raiding earnings are not enough, and mine is a raiding FC. I have literally no idea how Squee expects people to make money beyond endlessly grinding mobs. There are no markets to be filled. And as soon as there's one? Rampant undercutting smashes it to the ground.

You also seem to think that people are refusing to buy houses because they don't want to spend the money. In reality, people don't buy the houses because they don't have the money. I don't know why you'd think they do. They, like me, see no way how you could get anything without transforming the game into a half-time work. Not everyone logs in for 8 hours a day.

This has nothing to do with people not wanting to share and all with people wanting houses and not having the possibility to buy them thanks to the prices being not just out of reach but completely out of sight. Yeah, I know how much money I'll need for an FC house in three months. But how do I get there without compromosing my fun? I certainly can't get there just by playing normally. Because if that was the case, my raiding FC would be at least close to get one. But we aren't. Nobody bothers with it.

(02-08-2014, 09:11 PM)LiadansWhisper Wrote: It was not a personal attack.  Also, aren't you personally attacking anyone who disagrees with you by claiming that they just don't want to "share"?

I want to share.  I want an FC house.  My FC can't afford one.  I've personally sunk several million gil into my FC's house fund to try to get one, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.  What upsets me about what you are saying is that you want to deny other people enjoyment because you cannot get your FC members to invest in an FC house.  I don't want a personal house because I don't want to "share."  I want a personal house because a) I would like personal space that isn't an inn room and b) my FC can't afford a house.

(02-08-2014, 09:40 PM)Ildur Wrote: Clearly, because what I want to do in a game is repetitive, mindless tasks repeated across all the week. Remember my comment about not wanting to make the game a job to get the house? All your suggestions are variations of "transform it into a job" and complete ignorance of how bonkers and unnatural the market and how useless crafting is.

Give me something that doesn't take the fun out of the game.

(02-08-2014, 09:48 PM)Aldotsk Wrote: How are you expecting to buy a player house if you believe that farming for Gil is considered as a job and feel that it is taking the fun out of the game? I am sorry if I am not getting your logic here, but I can see Liadrin's point - but your point seems a bit out of focus on what you are trying to argue.