(05-03-2014, 12:53 PM)Elisea Renyven Wrote: Honestly... I'm going to be flamed and hated for this statement but... if you know how to make gil. It's significantly easy to raise. I'll give an example, I coordinated with my FC what I needed done. In -one- month we raised over 53m with just 15 players. I made some mistakes and discovered even better ways midway in the month otherwise I could have seen us raising 100m. Granted, I spent ALOT of time in game doing stuff to set up for this agenda. It was worth it. I can tell you there is all sorts of ways to make gil. Also if your worried about gil on alts. Have a friend you trust, transfer gil or use a dummy FC like a bank. There is alternatives. If some folks need pointers on how to make gil, I'd be more than happy to help. I'm a bit shocked on legacy a large is going to be 2m, that's going to be difficult for any new FC trying to buy a large down the road. Unless personal is going to be designed in a different system. Either way, feel free to pm me if your curious, I'm more than happy to help out for those concerned on gil.

(05-03-2014, 01:25 PM)Zhavi Wrote:

(05-03-2014, 12:53 PM)Elisea Renyven Wrote: Honestly... I'm going to be flamed and hated for this statement but... if you know how to make gil. It's significantly easy to raise. I'll give an example, I coordinated with my FC what I needed done. In -one- month we raised over 53m with just 15 players. I made some mistakes and discovered even better ways midway in the month otherwise I could have seen us raising 100m. Granted, I spent ALOT of time in game doing stuff to set up for this agenda. It was worth it. I can tell you there is all sorts of ways to make gil. Also if your worried about gil on alts. Have a friend you trust, transfer gil or use a dummy FC like a bank. There is alternatives. If some folks need pointers on how to make gil, I'd be more than happy to help. I'm a bit shocked on legacy a large is going to be 2m, that's going to be difficult for any new FC trying to buy a large down the road. Unless personal is going to be designed in a different system. Either way, feel free to pm me if your curious, I'm more than happy to help out for those concerned on gil.

Nahh, no hate. I think the issue is just time investment, and where you're willing to spend your time. I've made decent amounts of money in various games over the years, but compared to people I know who always are rich compared to the average player, I've never been as willing to put in that time or get as skilled (though, I think most of the time it's just attention to detail and being aware of where the market will go). Especially with FFXIV, it's more that if I'm in game either I want to be casually leveling or rping at this point in time. I'm just not dedicated enough! But I always did admire people who put in the effort and are able to sustain the little daily necessities to make lots of money.

And ehh, I play a poor character anyways, so unless they offer crappy looking housing it's probably better that she remains without a permanent home.

(Though Sastra -- your offer of innrooms would probably be perfect for Zhi, so long as they're not too nice. I mean, she's like as not to get places infested with fleas or lice. Heh heh heh)

(05-03-2014, 01:29 PM)Elisea Renyven Wrote: That's actually a big part of it, seeing how market prices fluctuate. You don't want to flood the market on one resource. I usually do a few things and this may help others. Gathering is king of gil making for most part. I look at specific items used frequently in crafting, and then I sell those on the market board. There's other tactics, but that's something a person can do for maybe an hour, get some resources sell it.. make 20-30k, if not more. Depending on the gathering level etc.

(05-03-2014, 10:24 AM)ArmachiA Wrote: ^ IT's going to be both. A personal apartment in 2.3 and then your own house shortly after.

There was an article the other day that said this:

As for personal housing, you’ll need a level 50 character and get up to a certain rank in the Grand Company. This will be introduced sometime after the Free Company’s personal rooms are made available in Patch 2.3, and the size will be a little larger than the ones at the inns. The prices will be around 850,000 gil, which Yoshida says might be a bit too much, so it could be lower.
Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2014/05/01/final-fantasy-xiv-realm-reborns-marriage-system/#7JP7MTH5PttrsQw0.99

850k, if they all aren't one size, is probably for the small house. I have enough for the medium house on Armi, though if I wanted to push it I could get her the large. That's of course they don't decide housing is going to be all small houses only. Loki is more of an apartment girl so my plan for her is to live off the FC house. I'm not sure if the apartment is the same price? It's not clear if they are charging for the FC apartment at all.

Anyway, it doesn't really bother me, the price. Shockingly, there aren't THAT many money sinks in this game and unless you're burning through all the crafts like a boss you're just not spending your money (I have one craft to 50, and I mostly just sit on the money I make if I'm not donating to the Guild Bank) so it does not surprise me at all that housing is going to be the big money sink for people. Other games that have Free Housing probably have other money sinks at the end of the game to compensate. This one really doesn't.

It's also a little easier to make money now-a-days with the gil rewards FOR EVERYTHING, so I'm actually glad they gave us this much notice so people can save up if they want one.

(05-03-2014, 11:48 AM)Naunet Wrote: @Kailia: The land can't possibly be under Grand Company "jurisdiction", because the Grand Companies are not governmental bodies; they're simply military units. And even if they were, it shouldn't matter because this is fluff content and it should be accessible to everyone from the start.

(05-03-2014, 01:51 PM)Naunet Wrote: Like I said, I don't care if the game presents housing as owned by the GCs, or owned by the Primals, or as freakin' communes. It doesn't matter. It's a game feature. It's fluff content.  It has no business being restricted to level 50 characters behind a GC rank wall and costing crap tons of money.

(05-03-2014, 02:15 PM)Naunet Wrote: . Don't make me jump through hoops just to be able to START the journey. SE has done fluff content horribly, horribly wrong almost without exception.

(05-03-2014, 02:15 PM)Naunet Wrote: To add to your list, Rift provides starter dimensions to everyone who completes the unlocking quest (which you can access at like level 5 or somesuch), which are small but just as functional as any other dimension, and you can earn "better" ones by completing content or earning plat. WildStar provides everyone with their own land plot at level 10, and though it does cost some money to fill up the various plugs, a small house is extremely cheap and more than affordable for a level 10. ArcheAge housing is available as soon as you have enough gold to purchase a deed, which can be quite early in the game as some are fairly cheap. I'm sure there are other examples out there, as well.

@K'ailia: I said nothing about being unwilling to put effort into a feature, but the "journey" does not need to be entirely frontloaded. The journey is best experienced when you are actually experiencing the content - i.e. when you're decorating/upgrading/etc your home. Don't make me jump through hoops just to be able to START the journey. SE has done fluff content horribly, horribly wrong almost without exception.

(05-03-2014, 05:02 AM)Naunet Wrote: Too much, IMO. I come from an MMO where the basic intro house for personal housing is free, and the effort and journey comes from either decorating that, or saving up to get a bigger one and decorating that.

But nope. Apparently SE is anti-fun when it comes to fluff content. -_-; And horrendously alt-unfriendly. I'd even say alt-hostile.