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RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Kage - 08-03-2014
According to the quest text here http://xivdb.com/?quest/66608/Into-the-Dragon%27s-Maw
The drachen mail is something very special and that there -is- an ability that no one but the first Azure Dragoon possessed. Since I haven't done it I can't say -what- it is but there is something that Dragoons can NOT do that only the Azure Dragoon can.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Kellach Woods - 08-03-2014
Warrior would also be kind of hard to justify.
The lore for those is essentially they've gone extinct with the exception of Curious Gorge, his brother (lost to the Inner Beast) and the PC, with Gorge and the PC trying to revive the arts of the Warrior.
Although the Marauders do recognize the ancient arts of the Warrior (if you visit the guildmaster once you start learning IIRC he'll mention it in passing - at least someone associated with the guild will mention it) so a bit of lorefudging can make this plausible, I assume.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - LiveVoltage - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 02:58 AM)ExKage Wrote: According to the quest text here http://xivdb.com/?quest/66608/Into-the-Dragon%27s-MawAh, but by that pretext, it means that it applies ONLY to the first Azure Dragoon.
The drachen mail is something very special and that there -is- an ability that no one but the first Azure Dragoon possessed. Since I haven't done it I can't say -what- it is but there is something that Dragoons can NOT do that only the Azure Dragoon can.
Regardless, there are no special differences between the Azure Dragoon or a normal Dragoon at this point other than that the Azure Dragoon is an exceptional Dragoon amoung other Dragoons. This could mean he/she is more powerful, smarter or whatnot. That can be applied to anything so for lore intensive purposes and generality, there is no real difference between the two.
I guess the best way to put it is that the Azure Dragoon is an exceptional Dragoon amoung Dragoon's and leave it at that.  ._.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Lillith Cale - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 02:08 AM)LiadansWhisper Wrote:(08-03-2014, 02:06 AM)LiveVoltage Wrote: Ah, well whats the difference between the two then?  @_@
It's better explained in the quest itself, but I believe the Azure Dragoon has some Super Speshul Mojo ™ involved with him.
There is only ever one Azure Dragoon at a time.
(08-03-2014, 02:06 AM)LiveVoltage Wrote: -snip-
I feel the same way in regards to Dragoons as well. The are regular Dragoons and then there is The Azure Dragoon, which I see as someone who has become a pinnacle of what a Dragoon should be and so the title is passed to them because they display the abilities and talents of the very first Azure Dragoon.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Lillith Cale - 08-03-2014
I want to thank everyone who has responded to my thread so far. ^_^ I really did have some large concerns, but everyone so far has been quite wonderful, and I thank you for your opinions and the way you've cleared up my concern.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - LiadansWhisper - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 03:07 AM)LiveVoltage Wrote:(08-03-2014, 02:58 AM)ExKage Wrote: According to the quest text here http://xivdb.com/?quest/66608/Into-the-Dragon%27s-MawAh, but by that pretext, it means that it applies ONLY to the first Azure Dragoon.
The drachen mail is something very special and that there -is- an ability that no one but the first Azure Dragoon possessed. Since I haven't done it I can't say -what- it is but there is something that Dragoons can NOT do that only the Azure Dragoon can.
Regardless, there are no special differences between the Azure Dragoon or a normal Dragoon at this point other than that the Azure Dragoon is an exceptional Dragoon amoung other Dragoons. This could mean he/she is more powerful, smarter or whatnot. That can be applied to anything so for lore intensive purposes and generality, there is no real difference between the two.
I guess the best way to put it is that the Azure Dragoon is an exceptional Dragoon amoung Dragoon's and leave it at that.  ._.
I'm...not entirely sure what you're getting at. Â All that's been said here is that because of the stuff that specifically happens in the questline, where the player becomes the Azure Dragoon, it's made clear that there is only ever one Azure Dragoon at a time. Â But, there are many other Dragoons who simply aren't the Azure Dragoon. Â So it's totally kosher and legit to play a normal, run-of-the-mill Dragoon, but if you try to say you're The Azure Dragoon ™, you're going to get the stink eye from a lot of people.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - LiveVoltage - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 08:57 AM)Lillith Cale Wrote: I want to thank everyone who has responded to my thread so far. ^_^ I really did have some large concerns, but everyone so far has been quite wonderful, and I thank you for your opinions and the way you've cleared up my concern.You're welcome!
@Lidian
Yeah, we already established that. We just wanted to establish what the differences between the two were, and there weren't any other than the fact that the Azure Dragoon is the pinnacle of all Dragoon's and that they virtually share the same skill sets, but with the Azure Dragoon being better at using said skills than others.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Mercurias - 08-03-2014
As I recall, the important thing is that the character, as a Dragoon, not be able to tap into the spirit of the great Elder Dragon within the soul gem and use Dragonfire Dive.
I'm not a hundred percent certain on that, but I would assume that the ability to channel the fires of a dragon and make a flaming crater on command would be a bit of a problem.
Also, there's a BIG problem with the fighting style of Dragoons when you're indoors: Ceilings. It's hard to jump dozens of feet in the air and drive a lance into your enemies from above when you're hitting your head on the roof.
I'm not knocking the job, of course, because outdoors or in grand chambers they would be able to land powerful blows if someone doesn't dodge. It's also one of the best standbys in the series and a hell of a lot of fun to play. Still, though, they're going to be limited inside.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - LiveVoltage - 08-03-2014
@Mercu
No, normal Dragoons can use the fire dive as well, only the more powerful ones though, including the Azure Dragoon, who can use it by default.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Seriphyn - 08-03-2014
Jobs are right popular, to the point I wouldn't mind specifically looking out for roleplayers who have no interest in it. Most sword users I've come across are paladins IC (Sultansworn or free paladin) instead of just a gladiator, like my character. Most fistfighters use the DBZ style chakras, making them monks instead of straightforward pugilists. And most lancers are dragoons, regardless of whether or not they're from Ishgard (which makes my character go "so you're just a lancer, then). The exception is magic users, who by and large stick with the base classes.
Sometimes being mundane can be just as unique and interesting as being uberpowerful!
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Kage - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 11:47 AM)LiveVoltage Wrote: @Mercu
No, normal Dragoons can use the fire dive as well, only the more powerful ones though, including the Azure Dragoon, who can use it by default.
As quoted in the quest dialogue, it seems to imply that the dragonfire dive and the drachen mail are Azure Dragoon exclusives. "An ability only the Azure Dragoon..." Jumps and such are a-go but things like multiple air-combat feats are probably not.
I'll post this thread that is more Dragoon specific. http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/showthread.php?tid=6357
In regards to other classes, I personally never saw anything Lore-breaking about being Black Mages ICly. However they have a community stigma based on the very nature of the kind of magic they use and where they get their power from.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - LiveVoltage - 08-03-2014
I can tell this Dragoon thing will be of much discussion in the future, but for now, lets agree to disagree about the differences between normal dragoons and the Azure Dragoon and leave it at that because this logical argument is taking longer than it should. xD
As soon as rouge comes out though, I wonder how many people will start RPing as Rouge or Ninja.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Seriphyn - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 01:13 PM)LiveVoltage Wrote: I can tell this Dragoon thing will be of much discussion in the future, but for now, lets agree to disagree about the differences between normal dragoons and the Azure Dragoon and leave it at that because this logical argument is taking longer than it should. xD
As soon as rouge comes out though, I wonder how many people will start RPing as Rouge or Ninja.
E-V-E-R-Y-O-N-E
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Aduu Avagnar - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 01:13 PM)LiveVoltage Wrote: I can tell this Dragoon thing will be of much discussion in the future, but for now, lets agree to disagree about the differences between normal dragoons and the Azure Dragoon and leave it at that because this logical argument is taking longer than it should. xDtechnically, the only reason you can use any jumps at all is because the eye of the dragon resonates with you, marking you as /the/ azure dragoon. All Dragoon abilities are unlocked through this fact.
As soon as rouge comes out though, I wonder how many people will start RPing as Rouge or Ninja.
And I can't wait to play a rouge, though I prefer mauve.
RE: Playing a Job and Race: Why does it bring about ire? - Aduu Avagnar - 08-03-2014
(08-03-2014, 12:41 PM)Seriphyn Wrote: Jobs are right popular, to the point I wouldn't mind specifically looking out for roleplayers who have no interest in it. Most sword users I've come across are paladins IC (Sultansworn or free paladin) instead of just a gladiator, like my character. Most fistfighters use the DBZ style chakras, making them monks instead of straightforward pugilists. And most lancers are dragoons, regardless of whether or not they're from Ishgard (which makes my character go "so you're just a lancer, then). The exception is magic users, who by and large stick with the base classes.being mundane is a lot of fun, however, as you have, yourself experienced in your own roleplay, its also a lot of fun to be uberpowerful.
Sometimes being mundane can be just as unique and interesting as being uberpowerful!