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RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Verad - 08-14-2014
Roleplay has fallen into the doldrums described by the OP because I, Verad Bellveil, am personally interfering to ensure that it is so. You may cast all blame upon me as you wish, instead of raging against nebulous forces that conspire against the creation of your personal vision of a perfect RP world.
Blame me, blame me! But I am unrepentant. I desire an RP world in which events are smaller and enclosed; in which players do not feel obligated to interact with all other players, but rather those they choose; in which the myth of community is shattered and players realize that we are but a fragment of a fragment of the server population, and we will never have a real sense of a perfectly immersive world in which all characters are inter-connected; and, above all, in which player stop assuming that RPers congregate around specific RP hubs solely out of magnetic forces.Â
Why are the RPers in Ul'dah? Because all of the other RPers are in Ul'dah, naturally. This is the argument I hear most often, as if there can be no other reason, nothing at all to do with Ul'dah having a more vibrant or interesting character in the eye of players than other in-game locations, and nothing at all to do with the city providing more tangibly useful roleplay hooks. I do not deny that magnetic forces play a part, but I do not discount the very real draw of a location to other players above and outside of that.
I, for one, cannot abide the notion that players be dispersed outside of their preferred locales for the sake of a vision of a perfectly-populated RP realm. And so I work to undermine, encouraging housing events rather than open-world ones and advising players to join the region they like best regardless of population. Even with my account suspended, I am the scourge of the open-world event.Â
Therefore, blame me! It would certainly be a more useful exercise.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Aduu Avagnar - 08-14-2014
The phrase 'all due respect' leaves a bitter taste in many a persons mouth because all too frequently it is used to imply that you have in fact zero respect for their position in a debate.
As for me? I tend not to RP much outside of Ul'dahThanalan, that could very well because of a lack of connections outside of the Thanalan, with other players that is, mostly due to the fact that I RP a member of the Ul'dahn military.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Pumpkinweed - 08-14-2014
(08-14-2014, 03:59 PM)Berrod Armstrong Wrote: Your opinion is very interesting, Gus.
However, one must always remain aware that one's ideals may not fit into the bigger picture. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people taking RP to their FC houses, on that we can agree. However, whatever you may think of the 'quality' of said RP (I deign not to repeat your vivid and subjective adjectives), as long as all the individuals involved are having a good time, that's what matters. I could choose to trade in game emotes between myself and guests during an event, and if we're having fun doing that, that's fine.Â
I would submit that none of us have eyes everywhere, as well-informed as we may think we are. There are many groups having a grand old time in their little circles, and that's perfectly fine! A big, open community is not mandatory. There are different flavors in different places, and people gravitate to what they like. Nothing wrong with that at all.
As for random roleplay, I can't take a step anywhere in the cities of this game without finding some, to be honest. Limsa, Gridania, Ul'dah. I used to think that the Carline Canopy was barren, but every time I take the airship from there or to there I run past a scene. Everything seems great. People are having fun!
That's the bottom line, really. Your ah -- intentions -- seem noble, I suppose, but they're really subjected to a narrow ideal.
If anyone looked at the threads on this forum. The Bulletin Board. The events, the TONS of open roleplay threads that invite literally any and everyone. We're a community. We are thriving. And oddly enough, participation in it would be enough to indicate that without question.
I agree mate! And again, I said 'with all due respect', ect.
The reason I made this post was because I've had private messages here and on the game from players wanting to know how they can get their LS or FC off of the ground.
I've pointed them to the forums but for whatever reason, they can't get the gist of it.
I am not condemning FC role-play. I am mentioning that I have seen a lot of people with brilliant concepts wondering why no one has visited their establishment.
A perfect example is Faye Covington's awesome event! I came by and was saddened that there weren't many there. It made me wonder if it was because of advertising, perhaps they meant for it to be restricted, or that players tend to shift to the housing for RP as long as it's pertinent to who they know rather than: 'an event is going on! Let's go!'
I've seen more success using the actual areas outside the housing, is what I meant. I wanted to know how and why this is an issue if a majority stick to FC/tavern RP. Do people simply not have the time to make it to the event, ect.
I'm really curious because I try to come to every event being held.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Pumpkinweed - 08-14-2014
(08-14-2014, 04:04 PM)Dogberry Wrote: And honestly, I can see now it's not so much your character concept I have a problem with, but you.
You don't know me in the least bit. Calm down.Â
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - McBeefâ„¢ - 08-14-2014
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You're wrong gus.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Berrod Armstrong - 08-14-2014
I think it would be wise for us to take a step back from this thread and focus on the things that we all worked hard to build and enjoy.Â
I don't know what this is, but it's disruptive to the usual, friendly flow of our community and a terrible, irregular example of what we represent.
[sub]tl;dr : someone post something else somewhere else so we can move on with our lives[/sub]
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Kage - 08-14-2014
Agreed with Berrod.
This thread is going to get locked faster than Kage will say "I love Natalie"
Perhaps people and their characters just aren't interested in events that they feel their characters cannot be apart of.
Or they just don't want to interact ICly with people who OOCly grind their nerves because that would just make RP not fun.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Aya - 08-14-2014
Aya knows just what to do when someone calls for a distraction!Â
*Starts to Dance*
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Melkire - 08-14-2014
As far as an individual's event attendance goes, there are quite a few reasons why someone might not show:
1. Engaged in PvE or PvP at the time. Might have been a scheduled thing (see: raids, statics, etc.), might have been impromptu and it clashed with the RP event because the individual was not aware of said event / said event's time.
2. Unavailable ICly. Case in point: Osric's been unavailable in-game for a time because he's been in Limsa via forum RP. Another example: Roen Deneith wasn't available for a time because she was being held in a Sultansworn prison cell.
2a. Conflicting RP session(s). Too often I've been held up in RP with one person/group and not been able to join a RP session with someone else, thereby missing out on someone's character development / event, etc.
There are undoubtedly more reasons, but those are the ones that come to mind at the moment.
EDIT: whoa, this thread took a huge swerve in the time it took me to post this. o_O
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - TheBlob - 08-14-2014
I, personally, am of the mind that holding events like this (in a housing district) does not encourage cliquish, exclusive behaviors. I've personally had great experiences joining in on group RP that has been removed from a city and put into a housing area. I've met an eclectic bunch of players/characters from many different companies and have made connections that will help further my own stories.
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The quicksand can become super crowded. One can -easily- get lost in a sea of text as a group next to your own RPs. Some people like that, hell I do it all the time in the Wench, on the other hand, others tend to shy away from it and prefer to go to a less populated, but just as accommodating an area, like a personal house. many have just as much ability to become crowded Quicksand taverns ... but at least we have the option of new scenery. The city states are large. Why wouldn't they have more than a couple of taverns to crawl through? Personal lots make this a viable reality.
I think most people know what to expect when they do a tavern RP. They don't find it monotonous or trite they find it is an exciting opportunity to make connections and further the reach of their characters.Â
New players wandering through the towns will find RP. It would be nice to see more RP outside the cities and I know many people, myself included, that stay in character while moving from hub to hub. In my experience, though, people (even if their search info calls out for RP) who are out to level and are traversing from quest to quest are wanting to do just that. They're not interested in stopping for a random chat at that moment.Â
Outside of FCs and LSs I'm not certain what type of RP is expected to be found in the world that is more than "tavern style" without a little legwork on the part of the searcher.
Everyone has their own time and place. Eventually the connection will be made, I think. Â
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - PkThunda - 08-14-2014
Oh man, the bias in that poll.
Oh no, I play a non-combat citizen who is based in Ul'dah, I CLEARLY PICK THE EASY NOT FUN AT ALL RP! OF MY OWN FREE WILL? HOW CAN THIS BE?!
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Pumpkinweed - 08-14-2014
(08-14-2014, 04:25 PM)PkThunda Wrote: Oh man, the bias in that poll.
Oh no, I play a non-combat citizen who is based in Ul'dah, I CLEARLY PICK THE EASY NOT FUN AT ALL RP! OF MY OWN FREE WILL? HOW CAN THIS BE?!
I play that too! Yet I play in other places, like Gridania and Limsa Lominsa, places that are easily accessible to lower levels of course.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Pumpkinweed - 08-14-2014
The bottom line is I am not condemning FC RP. I was wondering why players that hold events in a neighborhood don't have as many visitors.
Is it the advertising? Is it because people feel that tavern RP is more random at the Quicksand and therefore easier to gain?
I don't know what it is, but I just want us all to get together and do what works best. RP is RP and that is always fun.
That's the point.
Where all the insults come into play with this all? I'd say a few things are linked to that but that isn't the issue.
I just want players to all have a chance to have their concepts met.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Tiergan - 08-14-2014
Personally, I don't engage in a whole lot of tavern rp. Its fun to do every once in a while, but I tend to play characters that don't really frequent bars. (Leilani being the exception due to bejng an aspiring bard.)
That said, I can definitely understand the appeal around tavern RP and why people enjoy it. In my mind, if you want a certain kind of rp in a certain place, you have to make it happen yourself. At least that is what I fully intend to do when my work schedule is no longer a massive clusterfuck. No one else can make the kind of rp you want better than you can.
RE: The Direction of Role-Play - Pumpkinweed - 08-14-2014
(08-14-2014, 04:34 PM)Tiergan Wrote: Personally, I am don't engage in a whole lot of tavern rp. Its fun to do every once in a while, but I tend to play characters that don't really frequent bars. (Leilani being the exception due to bejng an aspiring bard.)
That said, I can definitely understand the appeal around tavern RP and why people enjoy it. In my mind, if you want a certain kind of rp in a certain place, you have to make it happen yourself. Â At least that is what I fully intend to do when my work schedule is no longer a massive clusterfuck. Â No one else can make the kind of rp you want better than you can.
Exactly mate!
I was speaking on behalf of people curious as to why... I've said it a lot in here already. I don't think repeating it again and again will do anything lol
I agree with you though!